Saturday, December 7, 2019

Bhagadatta was not the son of Narakasur.

Narakasura's father is Vana:
"O Karna, the slayer of Vana and Bhumi's son (Naraka), Vasudeva himself, who hath, in the thickest of battle, slain foes equal and even superior to thee, protecteth the diadem-decked Arjuna."
Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05062.htm
Bhagadatta's dads father is Sailalaya:
"After the same manner, king Sailalaya, the grandfather of Bhagadatta, attained to the region of Indra by the power alone of his penances."

Friday, November 8, 2019

Defeats of Karna from Kashidasi Mahabharat.

Arjuna:
"Karna then invoked an arrow and shot that, which Arjuna cut off. Whatever weapons Karna shot were cut off by Arjuna. Arjuna then cut off the chariot of Karna. Seeing Karna defeated, the other kings rushed to Karna's rescue but could not stand in front of Arjuna." (Swayamvara)
"Arjuna having the knowledge of divine weapons fired arrows which hit Karna. Karna fainted on the chariot. Karna's charioteer fled with Karna." (Virat war)
http://kashidashimahabharat.blogspot.com/2016/11/arjuna-and-karna-fight.html
"Karna said Let me see your skills. Use all your weapons on me. See if you can do anything. Arjuna said If you had some shame you would not have said this. I killed your brother and you fled. Arjuna and Karna then began fighting showering arrows on each other. Arjuna then killed the charioteer of Karna. All weapons finished, Karna has no option but to leave the battlefield." (Virat War)
"The defeated warriors Drona, Bhishma and Karna also came there. Arjuna then remembered a weapon which could put people to sleep.  He used that. All on the field went off to sleep including the animals." (Virat War)
"Karna then faced Arjuna. Karna and Arjuna started fighting, shooting weapons at each other. Karna took got wounded and had to leave. Arjuna then killed multiple soldiers." (Day 14)
"Seeing this, Arjuna renewed his attack. Karna came to assist Ashwatthama and all had to flee, as they could not stand Arjuna's attack." (day 16)
"In the camp Karna was ashamed of having to flee from Arjuna. Duryodhana said If I knew you would not be able to win the battle for me, I would have taken refuge with the Pandavas." (night 16)
"Seeing his son dead and also remembering defeat in the hands of Arjuna, Karna decided to kill Yudhistira." (day 17)
Bhima:
"Picking up the elephants by their trunks, Bhima began hurling them in the air. Karna seeing this rushed there. Seeing Karna, Bhima went and killed the horses of the chariot with his fists. He then kicked the chariot which broke. Karna then fled from there." (day 11)
"Bhima then flung his mace, breaking the chariot. Ashwatthama fled. Bhima tried to chase him. Seeing this, Karna stopped Bhima by showering arrows at him. Bhima using his mace crushed Karna's chariot. Karna got another chariot and fled." (day 12)
"Karna stopped Bhima. Bhima cut off his chariot and his weapons. Karna then fled." (day 14)
"Karna came again, and Bhima began shooting arrows at Karna. Karna fled again." (day 14)
"Bhima then attacked Karna. Karna cut off Bhima's bow. Bhima then hit Karna with his mace. Karna fell on his chariot." (Day 17)
"Duryodhana and Karna were seeing this. Karna tried to control Bhima but could not. Bhima ran around, his face smeared with blood. Thinking this was a rakshasa, anyone who came close to him, ran away." (Duhsasana vadh)
Abhimanyu:
"Seeing this, Karna got angry., He started shooting arrows at Abhimanyu which the young prince easily cut off. Karna could not also stand in front of Abhimanyu for long and had to flee."
"If Karna had to face defeat in his hands, who do you think and defeat him? If you want to defeat Abhimanyu, then you will have fight using unfair means. Do not forget that this is Krishna's nephew. He will be  able to defeat all, alone." (Drona mentions it)
Ghatotkatcha:
"Seeing all perplexed, Karna decided to attack. Ghatotkacha smashed Karna's chariot and Karna barely managed to save himself.  Ashwatthama then came but could stand the might of Ghatotkacha." (Night 14)
Chitrasen:
"Chitrasen said he was pleased to see the skill of Karna. He then released a few arrows which hit Karna and he fell senseless. While Karna was trying to get up, the army attacked Chitrasen but the gandharva cut off all the weapons of the army. Karna then began showering weapons. Chitrasen then understood that to combat this, magic would be needed. He then made himself invisible and then started showering arrows. Unable to fight an invisible enemy, the army was soon vanquished. Unable to fight, Karna soon gave up."
"In a war with Chitrasen, Karna, Dushasana and Salva had fled the battlefield."
He failed in the Swayamvara:
"Karna then got up. He went and picked up the bow with his left hand. He bent the bow on his knee and tied the bow string. He then shot an arrow which also struck the Sudarshana Chakra and fell down."
"The brahmanas started laughing. The bow that could not be handled by warriors like Jarasandha and Duryodhana, and where people like Drona and Karna had failed, what could a mere brahamana achieve."
Kavacha Kundala could be cut off:
"Saying this, Karna took a sword and then cut off the armor and the earrings from his body."
His character and personality.
Karna traded the armor for a weapon:
"Karna said I know of a weapon that you have that will never miss its mark. Give me that. Indra gave that to Karna, and left with the armor."
Insulted his guru Drona after his death:
"All were in shock on hearing off Drona's death. Karna said to Duryodhana - The Guru had become old and was weak. Leave the Pandavas to me. I will get them for you."
Krishna's last words to karna before karna's death:
"Hearing this Krishna said - At times like this, the evil become preachers. You were an aide of Duryodhana and Shakuni in all evil deeds, Where was your preaching when the kingdom of the Pandavas was taken away? Where was this when the plans to burn the Pandavas alive happened in the house of Lac? Seven of you surrounded Abhimanyu and killed him. Where was justice then?"
Told Dhritarashtra to send Pandava's out of Hastinapura:
"The king called  Dushshasan , Karna and Shakuni and asked them what to do. They said send Pandavas away in some ruse."
Karna was namard in Kashidasi aswell.

About karna's wives.

Karna’s wives find mention 7 times (something that karna fans never knew, but i knew because i like to tell the truth about karna and not lies).
1. Dyuta ParvaWhen Karna claims that sons and wives are slaves can earn nothing of their own accord and are dependent. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02070.htm
2. Vana ParvaWhen karna tells Suryadev that his wives are not as dear to him as Suryadev is. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03300.htm
3. Udyoga Parva: When Karna rejects the offers of krishna saying that all his family rights have been done with the sutas. He had an arranged marriage not a love marriage. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05141.htm
4. Bhishma Parva: When karna meets Bhishma on his death bed he talks to him and tells him about how his wives are not as important to him as Duryodhana is. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06124.htm
5. Karna Parva: When Karna sells his wives to the foot soldiers of the Pandavas army to locate the whereabouts of Arjuna. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08038.htm
6. Karna Parva: When Arjuna claims that he can no longer restrain himself, or hold back and how he feels sorry for the wives of karna as they will become widows now. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08087.htm
7. Stri Parva: When karna’s corpse is mutilated and eaten up by animals, beasts & vultures then his wives talk about how Arjuna is cruel. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m11/m11020.htm
Vaisampayana and Vyasa's reasons for not telling the names of these two wives of Karna (he only had two) are simple they were irrelevant and not important to the story:
"In that great battle of the Kurus came hundreds of thousands of monarchs for fighting against one another. The names of the innumerable host I am unable to recount even in ten thousand years. I have named, however, the principal ones who have been mentioned in this history.'"
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01064.htm
The texts of Indonesia were traded with India before the time of the british unlike Kmg Mahabharat. The Indonesian Mahabharat says that Arjuna was the secret lover of Karna's wife. Karna had only one wife, she was a daughter of king Shalya her name was Surtikanti:
"Dewi Surtikanti, marries with Karna. They have two children: Warsakusuma and Warsasena. Surtikanti’s love to Arjuna is turned down. She marries Karna, the half brother of Arjuna, because Karna looks like Arjuna." https://www.boloji.com/articles/8527/variations-in-indonesian-mahabharata-2

Wednesday, July 10, 2019

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A overrated and useless battle formation given too much importance in TV serials and popular fictions based on the Mahabharata.
This chakravyuha did not help the Kauravas or the Pandavas in any instance, it was easily a handicap and caused more harm to the Kuru army than good.
It means: “any circular array of troops” Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit
Drona claimed that this formation couldnt be penetrated by even gods:
“Today I will also form an array that impenetrable by the very gods.”
Here is its description:
“On the other hand, the array formed by Drona, O king, looked resplendent. Indeed, that array was incapable of being looked at like the sun himself when in his course he reaches the meridian and scorches (everything underneath).”
It was described as a formation which could not be gazed/stared upon. Somehow it was invisible to the human eye.
Why yudhishthir ordered Abhimanyu:
“Beholding Drona advancing in rage. Yudhishthira thought of diverse means for checking his progress. At last, regarding Drona incapable of being resisted by any one else, Yudhishthira placed that heavy and unbearable burden on the son of Subhadra.”
The son of Subhadra is Abhimanyu, it was believed by Yudhisthir that no one else could check Drona besides Abhimanyu.
Here is the plan of Yudhishthir -
"Yudhishthira said, 'Break this array once, O foremost of warriors, and make a passage for us. All of us will follow thee in the track by which thou wilt go. In battle, thou art equal to Dhananjaya himself. Seeing thee enter, we shall follow thee, protecting thee on all sides.'
Here is the plan of Bhima -
"Bhima said, 'I myself will follow thee, and Dhrishtadyumna and Satyaki, and the Panchalas, and the Prabhadrakas. After the array once is broken by thee, will enter it repeatedly and slay the foremost warriors within it.'
They wanted Abhimanyu to break the Chakravyuha then make a pathway for them, to enter after him and then protect him.
The plan was foiled by Jayadratha but in the end it didn’t do anything well for the Kauravas, they killed one warrior (Abhimanyu) yet lost more than 25 percent of their army (which would be millions of warriors).
“The boy of mighty arms having penetrated the impenetrable array, shall range within it fearlessly and send a fourth part of the hostile force, in course of half a day, unto the regions of the king of the dead.”
I call this formation (Chakravyuha) useless because of how much the Kauravas lost just to kill one man. What happened? What did they gain? They only lost. This is no victory its another defeat.

Wednesday, July 3, 2019

Shalya respect thread.

He is the character who Krishna considers superior to his own three students (Krishna was “Parshuram” in a previous life):
“I think that the ruler of the Madras is in battle equal to Bhishma or Drona or Karna, or perhaps, superior to themI do not, O ruler of men, even upon reflection, find the warrior who may be a match for Shalya while engaged in fight.”
Anyways Krishna may have either been lying or telling the truth but the fact is that he held Shalya in a high regard, believed him to be a very powerful warrior.
He was an all rounder, one of the few supreme mace fighters in the epic. His encounters with Bhima prove this fact.
Incident 1 (11th day)
“Struck by the ruler of Madras with his mace on both the left and the right side, Bhima moved not in the least, like a hill riven by the thunder. Similarly, the mighty ruler of Madras, struck by Bhima with his mace, patiently stood still like a hill struck with the thunder. Both of them, with upraised maces, endued as they were with great impetus, fell upon each other, coursing in shorter circles. Quickly nearing each other, then by eight steps and falling upon each other like two elephants, they suddenly struck each other with those maces of theirs made entirely or iron. And each of those heroes, in consequence of the other's impetuosity and violence being struck with each other's mace, fell down at the same instant of time like a couple of Indra's poles.”
Note that both him and Bhima became unconscious, think about how much physical strength Shalya would have.
Incident 2 (18th day)
“The noise made by the blows of the maces of those two lions among men was heard on all sides like successive peals of thunder. Having ceased for a moment, those two warriors of great energy once more began, with uplifted maces, to career in closer circles. Once more the clash took place between those two warriors of superhuman feats, each having advanced towards the other by eight steps, and each assailing the other with his uplifted iron club. Then, wishing to get at each other, they once more careered in circles. Both accomplished (in the use of the mace) they began to display their superiority of skill. Uplifting their terrible weapons, they then again struck each other like mountains striking each other with their crests at the time of an earthquake. Exceedingly crushed with each other's mace in consequence of each other's strength, both those heroes fell down at the same timelike a couple of poles set up for Indra's worship.”

Monday, March 18, 2019

Inconsistencies with the character of Ashwathama.

Feats of Ashwathama
1) He killed three aukshounis.

Drona Parva Section 131 -
"He was like the illustrious fire, consuming beings at the time of the destruction of a yuga. He severely consumed one akshouhini of nairritas88 with his arrows, like the god Maheshvara burning down the city of Tripura in the sky.89"
Drona Parva Section 131 -
"While Bhimasena, Hidimba’s son, Parshata, the twin warriors, Dharma’s son, Vijaya and Achyuta looked on, within an instant, he used sharp arrows to destroy one akshouhini of rakshasas, with their horses, charioteers, chariots and elephants."
Drona Parva Section 172 -
"An entire akshouhini had been killed, burnt by the maya of that weapon and their forms could not be distinguished.79"
2) He shot a million arrows.

Yudhishthir defeated Drona.

Drona Parva Section 132 -
When that weapon was destroyed by Yudhishthira, Bharadvaja’s son hurled varuna, yamya, agneya, tvashtra and savitra weapons.104 He was extremely enraged and wished to kill the descendant of the Pandu lineage. However, the mighty-armed one, who knew about dharma, was not frightened. He used his weapons to destroy all the weapons that had been hurled by the one who had been born in a pot. The one who had been born in a pot wished to fulfil the pledge that he had made.105 O descendant of the Bharata lineage! He released the aindra and prajapatya weapons.106 He wished to kill the son of dharma and was devoted to ensuring your son’s welfare. The lord of the Kurus107 possessed the gait of an elephant and a lion. He was broad in the chest and his eyes were large and red. His energy was not inferior.108 He invoked the mahendra weapon109 and destroyed those weapons. On seeing that his weapons had been destroyed, Drona was overcome with anger. Wishing to destroy Yudhishthira, he unleashed the brahma weapon.110 Everything was covered in darkness and we could see nothing. O lord of the earth! All the beings were full of great terror. O Indra among kings! On seeing that a brahmastra had been invoked, Yudhishthira, Kunti’s son, used a brahmastra to counter it. At this, all the foremost of warriors praised those bulls among men. The great archers, Drona and Partha, were skilled in all forms of fighting. ‘“Drona abandoned Kounteya and attacked Drupada’s soldiers.




Inconsistency with Ashwathama’s character in authentic versions of mahabharata.
Even though Ashwathama defeated Ghatotkaca many times, he himself lost to Ghatotkaca (once he lost during day time when Rakshasas are weaker).


Ashwathama defeated Bhima once, http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07197.htm and stalemated him another time http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08015.htm. Yet he did so many group attacks on Bhima, even teaming up with Drona, Karna, Duryodhana etc.
(12th day) http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07030.htm
Ashwathama fears for his life when he fights Abhimanyu, Arjuna etc in war. But he claims to be immortal (even before the death of karna, upapandavas etc) so why does he fear for death?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08088.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07046.htm
Ashwathama advised Duryodhana for peace with the Pandavas after the death of Duhsasana, yet still Ashwathama continued to wage war against them.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08088.htm
Ashwathama killed Ghatotkatcha’s son, then tells Ghatotkatcha that he does not want to kill him because he is the son of a man that his age (Bhima). http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07152.htm But then why does Ashwathama kill Ghatotkatcha’s son who was the grandson of Bhima? Why does Yudhishthira claim Ashwathama is older than him (thus older than bhima too)? http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05083.htm
Ashwathama called Sakuni the uncle of karna in virata parva, insulted Duryodhana, said he won’t fight Arjuna (yet still faced him many times in both wars), and said Karna dragged Draupadi (in Sabha Parva Duhsasana/Pratikamin did that though).
A agneya-astra of Ashwathama was able to destroy a Aukshouni of the Pandavas, how come whenever this astra was used by another warrior it did not even cause a fraction of the damage that it did when Ashwathama used it?

So Ashwathama has alot of inconsistencies in his character.

Sunday, March 17, 2019

Who could defeat Hanumana?

Their were many who could defeat Hanuman. He is not invincible or a deity.
Regarding Mahabharata characters many of them were Kshatriyas/Brahmanas who were superior to gods in battle.
Ashwathama was a avatar of Shiva, i think he could easily defeat Hanuman.
Hanuman has incredible feats of strength he did lift a mountain peak, but Indra lifted whole mountains, and this Indra lost to Arjuna.
Hanuman’s boons are also not infallible, he was wounded by Ravan’s son Trishira, proving that Hanuman can still be injured by weapons.
Hurt by the thrust of the sword, the valiant Hanuma the son of wind-god, struck Trishira on his breast, with his palm.”
I know Hanuman killed Trishira but this quote is not about that, about who is stronger its about boons failing, it is proof that Hanuman can be wounded easily by a sword.
I don’t know if Ramayana says that Hanuman tore his chest, but if it does then that means that Hanuman’s boon did not work because he injured himself.
These are some warriors who could defeat Hanuman. They are not Devtas. They’re Kshatriyas and Brahmanas (who still fought).
  1. Arjuna
  2. Abhimanyu
  3. Ashwathama
  4. Bhagadatta
  5. Drona
  6. Durvasa (he had a chariot and abducted Rukmini infront of Krishna).
  7. Dhrishtadyumna (he had the Brahmastra)
  8. Yudhishthira (because of brahmastra)
  9. Kekaya king Brihatkshatra
Because he was also a user of the brahmastra. This weapon was used by Meghanada in Sundara Kanda to subdue Hanuman.
In Yuddha Kanda Meghanada used ordinary arrows to defeat Hanuman.
“Indrajit the wielder of a great bow smacked the chest-region of Jambavan with an arrow and released ten arrows towards Hanuman, the swift monkey. Indrajit, that strong and highly courageous demons, pierced those jewels among the monkeys there with his arrows which resembled flames of fire and began to shout in triumph. Indrajit, full of joy and victorious in conflict, returned to Lanka, spreading happiness among the demons.”
This is a fair defeat, Hanuman is commonly believed by people to be stronger than he actually is.