Sunday, April 30, 2023

The reasons why Star Plus Mahabharat is bad (part 1).

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Intro - For more than a year it was a dream of mine to create a post based on why Star Plus's mahabharat (tv series) is either overrated or just a bad presentation of the book.

But a big issue i have is that people act like this is either the best mahabharat tv serial after Br Chopra or even better than BR Chopra's, but i myself & other individuals completely disagree with the opinion given by those people.

And i think in this post i also speak on behalf of some karnian's (karna fans) that did not enjoy the show either. Though it is unfortunately true that not many people call out this tv series, like indian's over rate StarBharat the same way american's overrate TCW (the clone war) show.

Just a heads up to all reader's i will NOT analyze any episodes that have to do with the bhagavad geeta chapters. And lastly star plus Mahabharat will often be referred to as "Star Bharat" instead of Mahabharat or "starplus mahabharat" etc by me in this post.
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The EPISODES I intend on discussing (number 1 to 12). After that i will change the sheer amount of episode's that'll be discussed per post.

Note: If anyone that has hatred (for star plus mahabharat) in their heart uses this then i will be happy. You can use my content if YOU GIVE ME credit (tell your audience where you originally gained it from).
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BEGIN'S.
Reason 1;
During the very first episode (which was unfortunately long by the way) a river is shown along with watery places. This location is believed to be the village of Satyavati near the state of Hastinapore.
[visual evidence]

The problem lies in the fact that when Sakuni visited Dwaraka & met Krishna's son Pradyumn during episode 132 then Krishna told Sakuni "you must never have gotten to see a body of water during your time at hastinapur"
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Reason 2:
Bhishma fighting the cannibal/rakshasa named "Hida" (a possible ancestor of Hidimva) is not logical, it was never referenced in Mahabharat, and the fight in itself was boring, nothing compared to american action scenes.
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Reason 3:
Santanu had a mukut (crown) when he was prepared to go to war;
Problem - for some dumb reasons when episodes for the Kurukshetra war began the writers of this TV series refused to let anyone who isn't krishna/abhimanyu carry a crown on their head's.
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REASON 4:
Santanu meeting his son bhishma was supposed to happen before he met "Satyavati". Yet what's shown in this pathetic serial is that he finds bhishma protecting a group of rakshasas then bhishma stopped the flow of the river.
After that Ganga appears and claims bhishma is a son of Santanu then Satyavati made a deal/offer to Santanu that he can stay and live as a fisherman with her or if he wants to remain in hastinapur then he needs to take away whats considered the legal inheritance of Bhishma to a throne.
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Reason 5:
In the 39th minute of episode 1 Bhishma claims he waited for 25 years to get his father's "prem" meaning that he should be 25 yrs old minimum by now, but in mahabharat (the book) no such digit or number has ever been written for the age of bhishma during this chapter.
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Reason 6;
During episode 2 Santanu gave Bhishma a boon, even if it is mentioned in Mahabharat, a problem would be it did not make any logical sense for Santanu to be able to award a boon of wishful death to his son.
Santanu was no "GOD" he didn't have any divine powers or the ability to perform a miracle so Santanu shouldn't be able to do that. Bhishma likely only lived the age he did due to sheer will power and health, that is all.
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Reason 7 (we're still on episode two);
A time leap occurred, off screen was the deaths of Santanu and the lesser known (Citrangada) which is a big disappointment. It would have been better if star plus took two more episodes to show the story of Chitrangad but a certain writers team was too lazy to do this.
It is an insult to never show that character.
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Reason 8:
Panchal having a feud with the kuru kingdom.

Somehow people (fans & writer's) believe Bhishma is justified for protecting his brother from any type of punishment. He provoked panchal for a war, spat in the face of a king, burned down crops of farmers. Also here the king of panchal is named Prishat but in later episodes Drupad called his father the name "prishula" instead.
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Reason 9;
In episode 2 the writers tried demonizing Amba by making her burn a farm.
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Reason 10;
In episode two it's mentioned by Satyavati that a kings body is equal to a "SWARN KHALASH" (i assume that means golden pot), yet bhishma does not reply with anything logical. It wouldve made more sense for him to respond with this - "Our swarn kalash is drowning himself and destroying his own body with alcoholism" (i made it myself).
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Reason 11:
For episode three at the 6;59 mark Amba said "duneeya" instead of the proper hindu word "sansar" people always bash Ramanandan Sagar for using Urdu language in his tv series so it is unfair hypocrisy to let this mistake slide.
{Image as prooF}
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Reason 12:
During episode 3 in the 9 minute mark Bhishma claimed their is no kingdom more competent than Hastinapur. This statement makes no sense cause in the previous episode bhishma's younger brother (the yuvraaj/heir) "Vichitravirya" was imprisoned by king Prishat.
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Reason 13:
Amba saying that she already wished for Shaluv (how the name "Shalva" get's pronounced by those actor's) to be her husband in the swayamvar.
The problem with this's that she was supposed to say it either on the way to hastinapur or in hastinapur itself. But this tv serial made her say it in front of all people inside the swayamvara. It also becomes a pathetic attempt of justifying Bhishma's negative deeds by ruining the characterization of other characters in Mahabharat.
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Reason 14;
Now in episode 4 the overrated character (Bhishma) chooses to advise Amba to seek out Parshuram's help but in the real Mahabharat he does not ever ask her to do this, he never tells her that Parshuram is the only individual who meets the power requirement of punishing him.
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Reason 15:
Another issue with episode 4 is that "Satyavati" is given such a high status and immense political power, but in actuality it makes no sense for any woman (even one of royal background.family) to have such a big position in the throne-room/court of a nation.
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Reason 16;
In the 1:41 mark of the episode Amba said that marriage, husband and offspring has no meaning (arth) for her yet second's later she claimed that she wants to be married to Bhishma. So her words, lines and the dialogues given to her do not make any real sense at all.
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Reason 17:
Hastinapore's yuvraaj Vichitravirya dying during the date of his coronation to the throne. This would be a problem for several reasons. First of all Vichitravirya was already made a king before he was married, second of all he was supposed to spend at least seven years with his 2 wives before he died, he even witnessed the duel between Parshuram & Bhishma.

But in this TV SERIES he is never even declared king until he dies, which is a pity, he remained a yuvraaj all his life.
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Reason 18:
Now at episode 5 multiple other mistakes are committed. First of all the reason why the slave-maid (mother of Vidur) had been sent to Vyas was never shown, second of all the character of "Vyasa" is also not even shown.
He was supposed to be shown before he copulated with the princesses of Kasi and but in this episode a nine month time leap happens immediately (as the queens become pregnant & give birth minutes later) no sign or appearance of Vyasa had been presented at all.
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Reason 19;
During episode five Bhishma consoled the mother of Dhritrashtra and even claimed that he would train him, yet he ignores how he failed with the tv serial version of Vichitravirya's character. He was the older brother of Vichitravirya but did not manage to make him competent in any way. Instead he became a feeble drunkard who is unable to maintain his own health.
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Reason 20:
In Episode 6 the pandit/brahmin with a black beard is finally called by his name, the person who called him by his name is "Bhishma" the name of that brahmin was revealed to be "Kripacharya" so this's yet another issue. Because Kripa's backstory, how he was adopted by Santanu how his sister was taken in as a foster daughter and Kripa's biological dad (Saradvan) is never mentioned her at all, it's just ignored for some reason.

If they wanted too chronologically present this tale of Mahabharat then they shouldnt have skipped all these things. They have a grand sized budget, they have all resources to show these thing's but fail each time.
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Reason 21;
The clothes of Amba have not changed in over nine months (the time that passed since Shalva rejected her is that much.)
Proof is the image.

Also as a bonus/off-topic:
I've noticed a unfortunate reality/fact that in this tv series so far most of the character's that speak are female/women, the only major male character is unfortunately Bhishma, not Kripacharya or even the important author/narrator (Vyasa).
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Reason 22:
During episode 6 even more mistakes were shown.
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First when Parshuram took up his bow then the sky darkened, even though in Mahabharat their was never such a incident, their was no need to waste their resources showing the sky blackening instead of showing the real facts.
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Reason 23;
Bhishma refusing to fight back (yet the fanbase and even hater's consider this fight to be the best one in starplus).
Also fighting underwater (only Arjuna was supposed to have a underwater fight) never happened between parshuram/bhishma so this was not supposed to happen.
It's a dumb distortion of event's.
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Reason 24:
Parshuram was shown as fighting without a chariot but in the book him and bhishma were both supposed to have chariot's and charioteer's.
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Reason 25:
The gauntlet of bhishma is made out of steel or metal or iron, in any case it should not be able to withstand the tree branch thrown by Parshurama.
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Bhishma's skin remaining undamaged does make sense but his gauntlet/equipment withstanding that makes no sense.
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Reason 26:
The sword-attack movement's of both Parshuram and Bhishma seem to have very low dc (Destructive Capability).
{These 2 gif's are my pieces of evidence}.

Besides Krishna/Shiva as per this TV series their existed nobody superior to these 2 (of course the real mahabharat puts even Dhrishtadyumn & Jaydrath as better fighter's than bhishma/parshurama). So it made no real sense on WHY their sword's couldnt even cut a tree branch.
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Reason 27;
I was told by many people that Bhishma vs Parshuram was the only good handled fight in the tv series of starplus mahabharat, but now i doubt whether even this fight was good, it wasn't even average in my opinion it deserves a failing grade.
But if this is the best that they have to offer then it is a horrible start because this means that every fight shown in the tv serial afterward's will be much worse.
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Reason 28:
When they showed Bhishma activating his brahma-astra (in episode 7) then they made it seem like he was trying to hurl a spear, it looks very similar to Karna hurling Indra's dart weapon. But a real brahmastra need's to be placed on the string of a bow and then fired at a enemy/target.
Also if parshuram/bhishma can both lose control of themselves by resorting to such weaponry then why do people (hindus, brahmins etc) get angry at Ashwathama and curse him for using the brahmashir, even in BR Chopra's Mahabharat they made Vyasa call Ashwathama a "fool".
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Reason 29:
In Episode 7 yet another time leap/skip happen's where twenty five years pass by, one thing i disliked is how the writers just did not wanna show parshuram losing so they decided to have Shiva come in between interfering in the battle and stopping it instead, so now a misconception is spread to satisfy the frustrated parshuram bhakts & vaishnavite's.

Also the actor (Mohit Raina) is replaced for his role (as "Shiva") by another actor when Shiva meets up with Arjuna during the van parva segment of this tv show.

Lastly having another time skip so soon is a dumb decision for the progress of the TV serial, because we could have gotten at least 2 episodes for the childhood of the princes (Vidura, Pandu, Dhritrashtr) but instead we were robbed as a audience.
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Reason 30;
Still on episode 7 the king of panchal (still "Prishat") claim's when Srikandi's born that she is the female who will end bhishma's life. But the problem is that he is judging based only off her gender, their is nothing that indicated this random girl would be the reason for bhishma's death, and she was born 25 years after the parshurama duel ended.

And why does Prishat desire vengeance when his enemy (bhishma) already suffered three blow's? The death of santanu, chitrangad & vichitravirya? Knowing that all the men in bhishma's family are dead should have been considered a indirect win for Prishat.
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Reason 31 (one of the BIGGEST mistakes ever made):
The actor that played younger Droopad was not the same one who played Droopad later on (Sudesh Berry).
Sudesh Berry later on plays droopad for the remainder of the tv series even in the flashback of drona when drona is younger then Droopad is played by Sudesh, so it did not make any sense for the character of adult droopad to look any different, be portrayed by another face or actor especially when Droopad is already an adult with a daughter.
[Evidence is clearly their.]
So was their facial reconstruction surgery available? Or did the face of Drupada change off screen, or were their two characters named "Droopad" in the TV series? Because this's a critical error made by the team of Star Plus. What was wrong with just keeping one actor?
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Reason 32:
Gandhari was shown to be like a little girl that's underaged, immature, uneducated & ignorant. Based on the way she talked to her maid that was her friend i came to this conclusion, and it's still episode 7.

Bonus - In the Episode where Shiva stopped the fight between Parshuram/Bhishma then he told amva that he can't give a boon to someone that desires vengeance. But his statement made no sense as he gave boons to many rakshasas that wanted to take revenge against vishnu and other gods.
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Reason 33;
The king of Gandhar is shown to have a turban instead of a crown. Which makes no sense, he should never look like that.
It seems like the starplus team is copying br chopra's portrayal of gandhar royalty (how ulook & sakuni had only turban's no crowns in that tv series). He doesn't look like a real king at all.
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Reason 34;
It's episode 8 and cause of the time leap's the character of Bhishma should be 70 years old at the very least, so he should look older than Dhritrashtra did during the tournament/rangbhoomi phase, or older than guru Drona did during the drupad war episodes (59-63).
Yet instead of him having a single strand of gray/white hair he's shown with totally black hair instead as if he never aged at all.
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Reason 35;
Gandhari talked to her bhabhi (sister-in-law) meaning a wife of Sakuni (as no other male offspring of king Suvala had appeared in the television serial). Yet this woman's children (Ulook and others) are never shown in the tv series at all.
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Reason 36:
In episode 8 a inaccurate statement was mentioned by Bhishma that Gandhar is the neighboring kingdom of hastinapore. Which is not logical as hastinapore is in delhi while gandhar is in the modern territory of pakistan/afghanistan. So... star plus fail's yet again.
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Reason 37:
Here (episode 8) hastinapore is named as the most wealthy/strong kingdom of aryavarth by either Gandhari or one of her maid's/relatives. But this's a false claim as even vidarbha was a more powerful and rich nation, it controlled at least 25 percent of the indian sub-continent as per Sabha Parva of Mahabharat.
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Reason 38;
Episode nine
Vidura for some reason has facial hair but his brothers do not, so he ends up looking older than they do. And bhishma looks like hes the same age as vidura.
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Reason 39;
In episode 10 Sakuni called one of his assistant's the name "Ulook" i have no idea why the writers of the show decided to make it seem as if the son of sakuni was named after a faithful servant.
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Reason 40:
During episode 10 the character of Satyavati get's reintroduced, but she has not aged at all in appearance. Her age is much more than that of Kunti's during the rangbhoomi yet she looks even younger than Kunti does.
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Reason 41:
Hastinapore being bereft of a king made no sense, the throne being empty made no sense, because after Vichitravirya's death when the prince's were being raised then Bhishma took the duty of ruling the land  until the time of abdication was right. But in this TV series no one was in charge of hastinpore for more than 25 years.

A kingdom would never sustain without someone ruling it.
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Reason 42;
In episode ten "Sakuni" display's a displeasure and objection to Gandhari's marriage but in the authentic script he was actually all right with the wedding arrangement.
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Reason 43:
During episode 12 Dhritrashtra rejected Gandhari before the whole assembly of people, it does seem like the wedding was taking place in the throne-room which does not make much sense for a wedding to occur their instead of a different location.

Also this episode just proves that the wishes of Dhritrashtra do not matter at all, as even though he rejects her here everyone know's he will end up with Gandhari in a future episode anyway so it is pointless to demean dhritrashtra even more (by showing him getting married to a individual that he rejected).
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Reason 44:
The following image/incident proves why star bharat is exactly like a daily soap opera ("kyunki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi").
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Tell me this incident (of Gandhari dropping the container of fire flies) isn't similar to a woman in a saas-bahu tv serial (like kasamh se) dropping a bronze complexion tray with a fire lamp on it?
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I do like the fact that Sakuni's character brings up the fire flies later on in a later episode (after karna's death & before duryodhan is finally looked at by Gandhari) but it still is akin to a saas bahu tv series.

My NEXT POST will be part 2 of why star bharat is bad.
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Sunday, April 23, 2023

List of king's that supported Duryodhana.

Note: i am not including Bhagadatta, Shalya, Drona (he was a king, ashwathama was not one), or Karna, as they are already known to most people.

1] Kamvoj king.
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"Sudhakshina, the ruler of the Kamvojas, is in my judgment, equal to a single Ratha. Desiring the success of thy object, he will certainly fight with the enemy in battle."
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"While he was engaged in thus slaughtering elephants and steeds and car-warriors and foot-soldiers, the younger brother of Sudakshina (the chief of the Kambojas) began to pour showers of arrows on him. With a couple of crescent-shaped arrows, Arjuna cut off the two arms, looking like spiked maces, of his striking assailant, and then his head graced with a face as beautiful as the full moon, with a razor-headed arrow. Deprived of life, he fell down from his vehicle, his body bathed in blood, like the thunder-riven summit of a mountain of red arsenic. Indeed, people saw the tall and exceedingly handsome younger brother of Sudakshina, the chief of the Kambojas, of eyes resembling lotus petals, slain and fall down."
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Comment - after Sudakshin died (in the fourteenth day), this guy was their king instead, possibly their was not another available male in the family.
2] Nishada tribe.
Eklavya was a descendant of king guha;
"Reaching then to Shrigaberapura, communicate in my name, about my welfare to Guha, the king of Nishadas, a wild tribe living in the forest."
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[12th day]
"Dhrishtadyumna also taking up a sword and a bright shield despatched Charmavarman and also Vrihatkshatra, the ruler of the Nishadhas."

[17th day]
"Prince of the Nishadas, filled with rage, is coming against the son of Pandu, on his foremost of elephants, from desire of slaying him with his lances, even like Destroyer himself armed with his bludgeon. Struck by Bhima with ten keen cloth-yard shafts endued with the splendour of the fire or the Sun, the two arms of the roaring prince, with lances in grasp, are lopped off. Slaying the prince, Bhima proceedeth against other elephants."
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3] Magadh, Vanga, Kaling (three more tribe's).
Quote:
"The chastiser of foes who is slaying the Kalingas, the Vangas, the Angas, the Nishadas, and the Magadhas, and large numbers of hostile elephants that are ever infuriated and that look like masses of blue clouds, is competent to upbraid me."
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Fourth day/battle;
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"The Magadha division consisting of ten thousand elephants of great activity. Accompanied by that elephant division and placing the ruler of Magadha before him, king Duryodhana advanced towards Bhimasena."
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4] Govasa, Vatadhan, Bhoj, Dasamiya, Vasati;
"Teeming with horses and elephants, large bodies of combatants of diverse Kshatriya clans, such as the Govasas, the Dasamiyas, the Vasatis, O Bharata, and the Easterners, the Vatadhanas, and the Bhojas that are very sensitive of their honour, approaching thee and Bhima, O Bharata, have met with destruction."

5] Yavana, Khasa, Darvabhisara, Saka, Kamatha, Ramatha, Tushara, Tangana, Andhraka, Pulinda, Darada, Mleccha;
"Of terrible deeds and exceedingly fierce, the Tusharas, the Yavanas, the Khasas, the Darvabhisaras, the Daradas, the Sakas, the Kamathas, the Ramathas, the Tanganas the Andhrakas, the Pulindas, the Kiratas of fierce prowess, the Mlecchas, the Mountaineers, and the races hailing from the sea-side, all endued with great wrath and great might, delighting in battle and armed with maces, these all united with the Kurus and fighting wrathfully for Duryodhana's sake."
Commentary - at least 17 more tribes aided the kaurav's.

Another list of 8 tribe's;
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"Mangling with his shafts the Pulindas, the Khasas, the Bahlikas, the Nishadas, the Andhakas, the Tanganas, the Southerners, and the Bhojas, all of whom, endued with great courage, were unyielding and obstinate in battle, and divesting them of their weapons and coats of mail."
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6] Which ones were murdered by Ghatotkach?
Quote:
"Behold those brave kings slain by the son of Bhimasena, struck with diverse kinds of weapons like trees broken by an elephant. Amongst all my royal warriors, let this be thy share in battle, allotted by me, with thy permission, O hero, displaying thy prowess, slay thou this Rakshasa."
7] Unamed kings on the 18th day that survived (excluding Shalya & the Mlecch king).
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"The (five) sons of Draupadi checked numerous kings (of the Kuru army)."
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8] Kekaya;
This nation was the one that Dashrath's third wife (Shri Ram's step-mother 'Kaikeyi') belonged too. Princes of the Kekaya Pradesh were divided, at least two (Anuvinda & Vindh) fought for Duryodhan's army.
At least five others fought for the pandav army, one pro pandav Kekaya prince was "Vrihatkshatra" he owned the Brahm Astra & was a stronger warrior than Hanuman. He gave guru Dron a tough fight and was murdered by him on the fourteenth day of war.

9] Avanti.
They had a joint ruler ship the co rulers were "Vinda" & "Anuvindh" shockingly those were too common names, duryodhan had two brother's with the same name's and the kingdom of Kekay had 2 prince's having that name as well.

10] List of nameless king's.
"And when thy son turned (towards that spot), all the kings surrounded the son of Arjuna on every side with crowds of cars." "Thereupon the kings (on the Kuru side), headed by Bhishma and Drona and with cars, elephants and steeds, rushed impetuously at Savyasachin."
"And those thousands of elephants and hundreds of kings, when they came within reach of Arjuna's arrows, were all unable to make any further advance."
"And kings were seen felled or falling from cars and elephants and steeds in consequence of Arjuna's shafts."

11] 7 new tribes.
Quote:
"They that were called the Pancha-nodas, together with Jayadratha, were placed on its neck." "The Surasenas, O sire, formed its tail, O great king."
"All the tribes of the Daserakas, accoutred in mail, formed the right wing of that array. And the Karushas, the Vikunjas, the Mundas, and the Kaundivrishas, were stationed in the left wing."
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12] A un named list again.
"Those kings, excited with rage, beholding Phalguni in battle, surrounded him on all sides with many thousands of chariots."
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13] over one thousand ruler's are mentioned as encircling arjuna on the 7th day of war.
Quote:
"And thousands of kings surrounded Dhananjaya, with darts, lances, arrows, maces, and spiked clubs in their hands. Then Arjuna, excited with great wrath, addressing him of Vrishni's race."
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[another passage]
"There among those thousands of kings and steeds and elephants, was none, O king, that was not wounded."
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Note;
This post had been finished at June 2022, but i did not care for posting the draft until now, my next post could possibly be longer.
Now i am back in business.
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Monday, November 21, 2022

Footnotes in Kmg Mahabharat & Valmiki's Ramayan.

1st:
"Prajapati, assuming the Form of a deer, followed his daughter from lust, and Rudra, armed with a trident, pursued Prajapati and struck off his head. That deer-head of Prajapati severed from the trunk, became the star, or rather constellation, called Mrigasiras."

2nd:
"The thousand-handed Arjuna, called also Kartaviryarjuna, the vanquisher of Ravana, the chief of Haihaya clan of Kshatriyas having his capital at Mahishmati on the banks of the Narmada (Nerbuda), was slain by Rama."
3rd:
"Dasaratha's son Rama, during his exile, slew the monkey-chief Bali, the brother of Sugriva, while Bali was engaged with Sugriva in battle. Bali had not done any injury to Rama. That act has always been regarded as a stain on Rama."
4th:
"The Nishadas were and to this day are the lowest caste in India."
5th:
"The vow of the Asuras was (according to the Burdwan Pundits) never to drink wine. It is more rational to suppose that Karna swears to give up the refined manners and practices of the Aryas and adopt those of the Asuras till the consummation of the cherished desire."
6th]
"Hayaraja, lit., the prince of steeds. He was an Asura, otherwise called Kesi, in the form of a steed."

7th] Character of Prince Sweta is in Bengali Mahabharat.
"Occurring, however, as it does in both the Bengal and the Bombay texts, I cannot omit in the English version."
8th]
What Bhishma says is this: I am bound by the Kauravas and, therefore, I am not a free agent. Obliged I am to battle against you. Yet I am saying, "What do you ask of me?" as if I could really give you what you might ask. My words, therefore, are without meaning, or vain, like those of a eunuch. Klivavat is explained by Nilakantha as Kataravat. Even in that case, the sense would be the same.

9th] According to footnotes parshuram fought kartikey not ganesh.
"Rama of Bhrigu's race went to Mahadeva for acquiring the science of arms. While dwelling in Siva's retreat, he had a quarrel with Karttikeya or Kumara, the son of Siva's loins. Rama worsted his preceptor's son in battle, at which his preceptor, gratified with him, made him a present of his own battle-axe, wherewith the regenerate here exterminated the Kshatriyas for full one and twenty times."
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Footnotes of Ramayana.
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Asura Baliraj defeating Ravan.
"Emperor Bali is more powerful and mighty than Ravana. aananda raamaayana says in a chapter on the 'defeats of Ravana' raavaNa paraajaya, that Ravana once entered netherworld to conquer it, where Bali is held captive by Trivikrama, i.e., Vishnu. At that time Bali and his queen are playing dice game. When Ravana entered, the dice in the hand of Bali has slipped to the floor, and Bali asks Ravana to pick and give it before conquering netherworld. Ravana who lifted Mt. Kailash could not lift that two-inch dice, which is so far handled playfully by Bali. Such is the might of Emperor Bali."
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What a dying man see's.
"A dying person fantasises golden trees and the like presuming his travel to heaven. By these illusions his death is predictable."
[3] Vishnu gave birth to a daughter.
"When Vishnu was in His meditation all the other apsara-s came to Him to disturb His meditation. Knowing that, Vishnu gave birth to this Uurvashi from his things. Thus, she is called the one who came from thighs uuruH 'from thighs...' and this word is defined as uru vaSTi 'muchly, splendorous one...' Then the other apsara-s had to accept ashamedly that Uurvashi is a beauty of higher order. Kalidasa took this as his subject for his drama Vikramorvashiiyam."
[4] Comparison of Ram and ravAn's body.
"He stood before her showing his mighty physique, expecting her to yield on seeing such a magnificent manly physique, which dissimilar to the girlish physique of her husband Rama."
[5] Explanation for laxman's rekha given by a author/commentator/translater;
"What happened to the lakshmaNa rekha? 'A boundary drawn by Lakshmana when he departed Seetha in search of Rama?' Some discussion about this is there in the endnote. Here, even though Ravana is su duSTa aatmaa, kaama mohitaa 'a very wicked souled and lustily crazed....' it is all for other women, but not towards Seetha. And thus he caught hold of Seetha, as the planet Budha, Jupiter, the son of Moon catches his own Star mother Rohini, a dear wife the Moon, reverentially. Maheshvara Tiirtha. Later commentators rejected this saying that, if it were to be so, then Ravana has Oedipus complex."
[6] Linking the daimond body of Suyodhan with Hanutati's cowardly act:
"She travelled the length and breadth of the country barefooted, that too in impenetrable forests. These ladies of lore had their yogic faculties with which Gaandhaari, the mother Duryodhana, in Maha Bharata makes him a diamond-bodied one, excepting his thighs. Their words come true if they utter them with certain concentration. At the time of burning the tail of Hanuma in Sundara Kaanda Seetha says: siito bhava (cool down...) Let the fire on the tail of that monkey be coolant to him and it happened accordingly. That burning tail burnt whole Lanka, except some places, without any scorching effect on Hanuma."
[7] Fight between Indra-Ravan;
"Ravana has already conquered Indra and the said gods are responsible for the routine administration of universe. Hence, he is informing Maareecha about ordinary kings, presuming that Maareecha does not recognize the rectitude in dealing with ordinary kings, more so, with the king of kings, namely Ravana himself, which he says in next verse. A king acquires these traits of the presiding deities of the compass, by virtue of his kingship, and the sages said the very same to Rama when he entered Dandaka forest."

[8] Info about Vimanas:
"It may be noted that this sort of air-chariots, though richly decorated with valuable gold and gems, but drawn by asses or mules, that too ghost-faced ones, are a kind of the then sci-fi version of aircrafts. Ravana's son Indrajit also uses such spaceships in Yuddha Kanda and his weaponry is altogether different, i.e., somewhat like the present day laser oriented hardware. These propellers may not be construed as real donkeys or mules but some powered vehicle-drawing instruments designed to look like ordinary harmless creatures."
[9] Maricha's betrayal:
"Maareecha would have died without yelling for Lakshmana or Seetha as tutored by Ravana because Maareecha is no real alley of Ravana. But it is said that he recollected Ravana's words and thought about it. What he really thought is the causation of death to that one who caused his own death, namely Ravana."
"Ravana can do nothing to Maareecha now as Maareecha is breathing his last. Whatever is to be done now it has to become a self-ruinous act to Ravana. Hence, it is better to do as said by Ravana for the elimination of Ravana. So thought Maareecha."

[10] Ram's brothers got aroused seeing his wife;
"The covert operation of Lakshmana as instantly surmised by Seetha is that, 'when one half-brother Bharata can snatch the kingdom from Rama, you, the other half-brother, can snatch away his wife, hence you have come with covert intentions, on your own, leaving all your kinsfolk. Or, Bharata wanted me too along with the kingdom, so he might have instigated you to fetch me for him, after Rama's death, thus he covertly sent you alone."
[11] Parshuram doing 37 genocide's not 21.
"Parashu Rama is frenziedly infuriated and starts eliminating all of the enthroned Kshatriya bloodlines on earth. That way he roves over the earth for thirty seven times eliminating Kshatriya-s. He even cuts off the foetuses in wombs of their queens, in order to stop the menacing progeny and offers the blood of the foetus as oblation. And that blood became five streams called shamanta-pancaka. Bhaargava or Parashu Rama practises insurmountable ascesis and appeases God Shiva, and thus acquires divine weaponry. He is indomitable in archery and nothing is unknown to him in the art of archery. Yet, he resorts to an axe to behead cruel kings, physically and personally, without depending up on a distant shooting arrow."
[12] Incorrect explanation for why the clan of Ikshvaku survived Parshuram's campaign;
"Bhaargava Rama safeguarded one great dynasty of Ikshvaku-s, for they are related to his grandmother, besides at the request of Renuka Devi, his mother...' So, god Bhaargava Rama is a nepotist and saved Dasharatha Rama. Not so, Bhaargava Rama is neither a nepotist nor a god to be worshipped. He is not worshipped because his incarnation is not a full incarnation of Vishnu as Dasharatha Rama. Only the wrathful impetuosity of Vishnu is incarnated like Bhaargava Rama to perform butchery and even infanticide. Bhaargava Rama is a highly impudent personality and blinded by his wrath, thus to eliminate his own Kshatriya-s [namely his own relatives, Dasharatha and his sons; again the caste system is peeping in, isn't it!]"
[13] Claim of brahmin's dying in war.
"So said Bhiishma to Krishna and thereby Panadava-s have eliminated Drona, Kripa, Ashvatthaama and suchlike weaponed Brahman-s in war, but not in peace. There are many more such sayings of Bhiishma. Here Parashu Rama said that he will give a duel to Rama, hence he is no more a Brahman when he raises a weapon. And he is a blood relation of Vishvamitra, and that corner of mercy is not allowing Rama to release the arrow on Parashu Rama."
Logic - this footnote in particular makes absolutely no sense as in Mahabharat nowhere were the death's of Kripa, Ashvathaman etc ever mentioned, among that list of name's only the character of Drona died that too by Dhrishtadyumna not any pandav.
Also per Sanjay/Vaisampayan one account is given that Drona himself took his own life by seperating his soul from the body through a yogic technique.

[14] animal Kingdom:
Formerly a tiger ran in pursuit of a hunter. The latter climbed up a tree. There was bear already preached on a bough of the tree. Making to the foot of the tree, the tiger addressed the following words to the bear: "Look here, both of us are denizens of the forest. The hunter is our common enemy. Therefore, knock him down from the tree." The bear, however, replied: "Having reached my abode, the hunter has in a way sought asylum with me. I am therefore not going to hurl him down; I would be deviating from my duty if I do so." Saying so, the bear laid himself down to sleep. The tiger now turned to the hunter and said, "Push the bear down. I shall afford protection to you." The hunter thereupon pushed the sleeping bear. The bear, however, clutched at another bough and thus escaped from falling down. The tiger now addressed the following appeal to the bear: "The hunter sought to hurl you down and has thus wronged you. Therefore push him down." Though pressed by the tiger again and again, the bear refused to hurl him down and repeated the above quoted verse in support of his attitude.
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[15]
Garuda: The bird and vehicle of Vishnu. He is generally represented as a being something between a man and a bird and considered as the sovereign of the feathered race. He may be compared with the Simurgh of the Persians, the Ank of the Arabs, the Griffin of chivalry [without lion's body,] the Phoenix of Egypt, and the bird that sits upon the ash Yggdrasil of the Edda. - Griffith.
[16]
"Rama and Lakshmana will use arrows and missiles as their weaponry in the ensuing final war with Ravana. The vanara soldiers use stones, trees, and their own claws and nails. The golden maces or clubs handled by Hanuma, Sugreeva, and Vali usually depicted in pictures are for more mythical ornamentation to glorify the characters. However, these Vaanaras are well versed in the knowledge of such tactical weaponry, only to save themselves from their usage against them, but do not use them necessarily. In Sundara Kanda Hanuma will be tied by a magical weapon called Brahmaastra when he is in Lanka."

[17] Kartikey argued with Shiva.
"It is said that each of the six Krittika-stars came forward to give her milk firstly to this boy. Observing their eagerness to feed him, Skanda / Kaartikeya made his one face into six and sucked all the milk of all the six stars and become an adolescent boy in day. Hence he looked like the one with six faces, by which he is called ShaNmukha, six-faced deity. Later he argues with his father Shiva that he is superior to Shiva, because he has five-faces of Shiva, plus his own, totalling to a six, and he is a six-faced deity, superior to the five-faced god, namely Shiva. In another way, the boy by birth is dextrous and he sucked the milk of all the six mothers in split second with one face, but it appeared to all deities that the boy has been sucking milk with six faces, i.e., with rapid-face-movement. Thus on establishing his ambidextrous personality, the gods nominate him as the Chief of Celestial Army."

[18] Vishwamitr's cloning was done by Electricity.
"And if god created the cosmos, a man trying to duplicating it, is as good as going against that writ of that god. Vishvamitra no doubt built many space stations and started cloning gods, leave alone earthly species, but he is forestalled, because he wanted to break the system from within, in which he is and by which he mastered all this expertise. It is as good as cutting the branch of a tree on which he is sitting. Absolute insolence is absolutely condemnable. Hence, Trishanku is still dangling upside down in his so-called heaven."
[19]
"It has been a convention among Indian troops in the past to burn whatever is removing their essential things and tents while leaving a halting place in the course of their march to a destination. The idea is not to leave any trace of their whereabouts for the enemy. The practise was also believed to bring triumph to the troops who resorted to it."
[20]
"The Kailash mountain believed to be the abode of Shiva, the tutelary god of the Snowy Range of Central Asia and the wealth god Kubera, was to the north of Himalayas. It would appear to correspond with the Kwenlun Range, which extends northwards and connects with the Altai chain. The route indicated must have been by the south skirts of the desert towards the west, to pass by the Kailash Range...' Ancient Geography. This is presently in Tibet."
[21]
"Ravana is a brother of Kubera and the aircraft of Kubera, namely Pushpaka, is seized from this very Kubera. Thus, there is every chance to hide Seetha at Kubera's place bringing Kubera under duress."
[22]
"Perhaps these poetic accounts of golden, jewelled riverbanks and golden lotuses etc. might have attracted the then invaders towards India, presuming that the loot is over there on the riverbanks like sand. However mythical these accounts might be, they portray that the lands and rivers are self-contained and self-sufficient."
23]
"The north of Himalayas is referred as the northern ocean. It is held that Himalayas have emerged from an ocean to where Vali used to leap everyday in the early hours to offer water oblation to the Sun."
24]
"Here we have a glimpse of the Arctic region with the Aurora Borealis to the north of the Uttara Kuru realms. The Uttara Kurus, it should be remembered, may have been a real people, as they mentioned in the aitareya braahmaNa viii-14  wherefore the several nations who dwell in this northern quarter beyond the Himalayas, the Uttara Kurus and the Uttara Madras are consecrated to glorious dominion and people term them glorious."
25]
"Therefore, Ramayana must have occurred 9600 years ago, which is 7600 B.C. approximately. Which again is disputable because this is going against the Yuga and Kalpa Theory of Puraana-s, as Ramayana is said to be the legend of Treta Yuga."
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My opinion - i believe that most of these footnotes make no sense, a few have logic tied to them like the comparison of Ravan & Ram's bodies. But others do not.

Fact's - these footnotes were not a part of Mahabharat and Ramayan at all because they are not from the author, they are just comment's made by a bunch of translaters and bhakts who provide their own interpretation's.

A foot note should never ever be used in a debate.
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Tuesday, November 15, 2022

The truth about aryan society.

In Mahabharata these are the types of things society did.
Vast quantity of animal population is lost in rituals of aryavarth.

1st - King Rantidev's;
[quote]
"All the vessels and plates, in Rantideva's palace, for holding food and other articles, all the jugs and pots, the pans and plates and cups, were of gold. On those nights during which the guests used to live in Rantideva's abode, twenty thousand and one hundred kine had to be slaughtered. Yet even on such occasions, the cooks, decked in ear-rings, used to proclaim (amongst those that sat down to supper)."
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2 - King Dashrath's sacrifice of animals;
[quote]
The sages have arranged those animals that are to be there in animal sacrifices, like horse and other aquatic animals, in that ritual according to scriptures.
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Women took their younger brother in laws as husbands:
"A woman in the absence of her husband, takes his younger brother for her lord; even so the Earth, not having obtained the: Brahmana, made the Kshatriya her lord."
Logic - maybe Laxman was the lord/swami or husband of Seetha then?

Desire of women destroys families (according to Brahma the creator):
"Verily, women are exceedingly fond of sexual congress. Among a thousand women, or, perhaps, among hundreds of thousands, sometimes only one may be found that is devoted to her husband. When under the influence of desire, they care not for family or father or mother or brother or husband or sons or husband's brother (but pursue the way that desire points out)."
"Verily, in pursuit of what they consider happiness, they destroy the family (to which they belong by birth or marriage) even as many queenly rivers eat away the banks that contain them. The Creator himself had said this, quickly marking the faults of women."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13a019.htm
Marrying women of the Sudra caste is condemned by the "righteous":
"The righteous condemn the practice of begetting issue upon Sudra women. A Brahmana, by begetting children upon a Sudra woman, incurs the liability of performing an expiation."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b009.htm

Marrying a woman a third of your age is advised:
"A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b009.htm

How females were seen in aryan kingdom's.
"Women of course are deceivers, even occupied with selfishness. Let them be condemned! Here, I am not mentioning of all women but of Bharata's mother only."
Note: dashrath said "women of course" first, and condemned them second but after those two statements he tried to minimize his words and started to claim he's only talking about Kaikeyi not any other female.
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Modern day rivers in Mahabharata times:
"The very many rivers that flowing through Kasmira, fall into the great river called Sindhu (Indus). By bathing in these rivers one is sure to become endued with good character and to ascend to heaven after departing from this world."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13a025.htm
[below/underneath arya does not mean NOBLe]
Difference between aryans and other tribes got pointed out;
"And the Mlechchhas and the Aryas there who witnessed or heard of that behaviour of the sons of Pandu, all wept with choked voices."
Logic - their was a clear difference between Mleccha's and Arya's/aryan's.

More proof;
[quote]
"Diverse tribes of Mlechchas too, who had been discomfited before and many Aryan kings, possessed of soldiers and animals endued with great alacrity, and all irresistible in fight encountered the son of Pandu in battle."
Logic - even if they have a common enemy (arjun/pandav) they will choose to differentiate themselves.
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Meat Eating, death of animals.
1st;
Yudhishthira asked "Tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitris, becomes inexhaustible?"
Bhishma said "With the meat of the buffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months." "The potherb called Kalasaka, the petals of the Kanchana flower, and meat of the goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible."
"One born in our race should, under the constellation Magha, as if in the observance of a vow, offer the meat of goat or the petals of the Kanchana flower." "Even a little of water, roots, fruits, meat, and rice, mixed with honey, if offered on the anniversary of the day of death becomes inexhaustible."

2nd;
[Quote]
"May the blessed moon-god furnish me many-coloured flowers which have just fallen from the flower-plants or trees, the drinks like wine and others as also various kinds of meat."
[End]
Comment - a old brahmin said this and he was given respect by Bharat (brother to Ram)

3rd;
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"Dishes of goat and boar with delicious sauces were there and condiments that were spicy, fragrant and succulent, cooked in fruit juices; vessels of rare metals filled with rice, decorated with flowers, were offered in thousands to those soldiers there."
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Logic; goats and boars were eaten by the namard army of ayodhya.

What Ashwathama sir thinks about meat eater's.
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"As regards those that live by practising the profession of flowers and vendors of meat, they may earn wealth by expedients fraught with deceit and fraud."
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Using the skin of animals for clothing.
1:
"Dasharatha's son Rama is the one with inescapable arms and keen-eyed, but has jute-cloths and skin of black-deer for his dress."
2:
"I wish to sit along with you on its golden deerskin, overlaying it on a seat of tender darbha grass-blades, in case the deer is felled."
Comment - this time it was for a mere seat, how can that be a valid reason to take away its life?

3: Kaikeyi's word.
[quote]
"Rama has to take refuge in the forest of Dandaka for fourteen years and let him become an ascetic wearing rags, deer skin and matted hair."
[end]

4:
"I shall be delighted to see you, initiated for the perfect religious act of austerity, wearing excellent antelope-hide, being pure and bearing a deer-horn in hand."
Basic - antelope skin for clothing, and horns of a deer for decoration and style.

5. quoTe
"He saw all the people who came there to behold him, approached nearer to them, greeted them and mounted the excellent chariot, which was resplendent like fire and covered with tiger's skin."
[End]
Logic - the tiger is a endangered animal/carnivore. But people of Arya Varth made use of its skin to decorate a fricking chariot.
6th
"The king Kekaya, treating him hospitably gave that Bharata the best of elephants, woolen clothes of varied colors, antelope skins and riches."
7th.
Brahma's boon to Kartikeya.
[Quote]
The lord Brahma gave unto that god devoted to Brahman a black deer-skin.
[End]

8th (animal skin as cloth).
{Quote}
"How could Rama the tiger among men, who used to sleep on a couch horded with rich cushions covered with superior hairy skins of antelopes, sleep on a bare floor?"
{End}

9th;
"And many taking out their polished sabres from sheaths made of the skins of leopards and tigers, slew the combatants opposed to them in battle."

10th:
[quote]
"Daruka, O best of kings, yoked those steeds unto that car covered with tiger-skins and ever capable of scorching all foes."
[end]
11th.
[quote]
"For four years that king went out a hunting, with his son Bhîsma, deer and other wild animals and got the highest happiness as Mahâdeva finds in company with Kârtikeya. Once, on an occasion, while he was shooting arrows at rhinoceros and boar, etc., he went so far as to reach a forest on the banks of the Yamunâ, the chief of the rivers."
[eNd]
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Brahmins can demote a group of people into a low caste.
[Quote]
"The Mekalas, the Dravidas, the Lathas, the Paundras, the Konwasiras, the Saundikas, the Daradas, the Darvas, the Chauras, the Savaras, the Varvaras, the Kiratas, the Yavanas, and numerous other tribes of Kshatriyas, have become degraded into the status of Sudras through the wrath of Brahmanas."
Logic - about 13 tribes were listed here and it's hinted that their are many more. Assuming each tribe had 2 thousand people then over 26,000 beings were demoted in rank and live low qualities of life due to a brahmins anger.

A brahmin called "Bharadvajh" decided one day he would contaminate a whole river and fill it with alcoholic liquid.
[Quote]
"Let some rivers flow with Maireya (a kind of wine made from date palms etc) some others flow with highly refined spirituous liquor and some others flow with cool water with a taste of sugarcane."
[eNd]
My Comment; another brahmin from Mahabharat of Vyasa was also named "maitreya" that means his parents named him after a alcoholic beverage, hes the guy who cursed Duryodhan just for scratching the ground with his foot.
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Sudras were all slaves.
[Quote]
"As regards the different orders, he gave unto each a portion of excellence. Unto brahmanas he assigned that foremost of all things, the Veda. Unto the kshatriya he assigned superior energy. Unto the vaishya he gave skill, and unto the shudra he gave the duty of serving the three other classes."
[End]
Logic - aryans believed that forcing a entire fraction of the human population into slavery was just and morally right.
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Exaggeration.
Character's in Ramayan & Mahabharat that were considered aryans uttered many incorrect words and disagreeable claims.

1) A minister named "Sumantra" had been employed in Ayodhya, he overrated the ability and competence of it's king "Dashrath" to a gross extent:
[Quote]
"King Dasaratha is unconquerable as great Indra, unshakable as mountain and imperturbable as a great ocean."
[End]
Logic - this character called Dasaratha was conquered many times before the incident in the link. He was defeated by danavas and asurA's in the battle at Vaijayanti. Dasaratha even feared Ravan & peed himself when Viswamitr came to ask him for support.
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Incest among the devtas.
Daksha & Bhrigu were both son's to Brahma, guess who Bhrigu married? He married a daughter of Daksha who was "Khyati"

Athiests were punished & harassed by aryan kings:
"The atheists, who were separated from their right path and who had been tormented; with punishment earlier by the king, are now without fear and are able to exercise their old temperament (due to anarchy)."

Waste of wealth in the form of gift's.
[Quote]
"In these jewels and clothes, a worth of hundred crores is to be given to the king Kekeya and likewise a worth of ten crores in full to your maternal uncle."
[End]

Slavery is a common practice in ayodhya.
[quote]
"In that ceremony performed in honor of the dead king, Bharata the son of Dasaratha gave multitudes of white goats, servants and servant maids to Brahmans."
[end]
Logic - women were slaves too.
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Incest in Mahabharat.
Devaki told Kamsa that her daughter could marry his son.
[Quote]
"Thereafter, all the watchmen very quickly approached King Kaṁsa, the ruler of the Bhoja dynasty, and submitted the news of the birth of Devakī’s child. Kaṁsa, who had awaited this news very anxiously, immediately took action."
[End]

[Quote]
"Devakī helplessly, piteously appealed to Kaṁsa: My dear brother, all good fortune unto you. Don’t kill this girl. She will be your daughter-in-law. Indeed, it is unworthy of you to kill a woman."
[End]
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Monday, November 14, 2022

Behavior of hanuman bhakts (1).

These people claim to be "white knights" gentlemen etc, respect every women, never talk SH!T about a female (HER).
Yet i see them do this.
Before i show the image's/proof allow me to explain that the quora account named "Shiv Bhakt" is another name of "Ashok Kumawat" a hanuman bhakt.
Now that it's been clarified i'm going to give my screenshot's.
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[2]
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                    THESE THREE are just for one person (ashok kumawat).
NOW i'm going to discuss other devotees of Hanuman (the way they act/etc).
But i'll just give PHOTO'S not any lines (like i wont provide commentary/my opinion).
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[2]
END {12;33 AM November eleventh.}
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BONUS;
Ashok Kumawat proves how much of a PERVERT he is.
Disgusting, leacherous and vulgar.
[i made this edit at 3;43 AM]
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Incase none of u realised the bhakts of hanutati are "B" & "Dark" (youtube account's).

They threaten to physically abuse someone, beat them up etc for telling the truth about hanuman. HOW IS THIS BEHAVIOR not identical to the behavior of karna fans?
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By The Way i have hundreds of other screenshot's saved on my other lap top but i can not access them right now. I've decided to just post these five that i gathered this past week.

Maybe i will provide a part 2 and part 3 following sequels to this post in another month or week.
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