Wednesday, October 30, 2024

Debunking the achievements of Hanumana (except for lanka daahan).

Here i will discuss & debunk all the incidents provided by hanu devotees which they believe makes him look mighty. Like him eating the SUN, or lifting the mountain of medicine or him making Ravan bleed or the BS claim of him being the vanara general or withstanding an assault from the brahmastra.

This post's actual title is "Putting a end to the hanumana topic [Part 7]"
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STARTING THE POST.
A common claim of hanuman fans is "that same hanuma made ravan bleed with 1 punch":
Whenever hanu-bhakts or napunsak tards find themselves boxed into a corner with no way out they bring up this point all the time. The ultimate goal in bringing up this point is for them to deflect from something that simply can not be defended. In this case it is the weaknesses, flaws and poor fighting skills of hanumanji. This can not be defended so hanuman bhakts either lie all the time or give an illogical argument.

Krishna - who i judge based on his fighting skill's was made to bleed/swoon by simple arrows fired by Duhsasan & even the most overrated bhadva whose name is "Karna" if these 2 were able to do that to a top tier mard/warrior like Krishna then what is incredible about hanuman doing it to Ravan when he is offguard & focusing on Laxman's body?

Ravan was certainly not as powerful as Krishna. So the achievements those guys had in doing it to krishna should put them above Hanuman. Cause hanuman lost against ravan multiple times.
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EVIDENCE FOR wounds of krishna.
3rd day:
"Bhishma with great strength pierced both Vasudeva and Dhananjaya with keen shafts all over their bodies. And mangled by those shafts of Bhishma, those two tigers among men looked like two roaring bulls with the scratches of horns on their bodies."
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[again]
"The enraged Bhishma caused him of Vrishni's race to shiver."
Logic - here the reference to "vrishni's race" was for Krishna so dont pretend it was Cekitana or Satyaki or his 10 sons.

Duhsasana was the attacker in day 10.
[Quote]
"Dussasana in that battle pierced the son of Pandu with 3 arrows & Vasudeva with 20. Then Arjuna, excited with rage upon beholding him of Vrishni's race thus afflicted, pierced Dussasana with a hundred shafts."
[Done]

Injury's in Bhagawatam.
Rukmi achieved this.
[quote]
"Rukmī grabbed another bow and struck Lord Kṛṣṇa with five arrows. Although hit by these many arrows, Lord Acyuta again broke Rukmī’s bow."
[End]

Krishna's bow has been cut by king Shalva.
[Quote]
"Śālva then managed to strike Lord Kṛṣṇa’s left arm, which held His bow Śārṅga, and, amazingly, Śārṅga fell from His hand."
Logic; not just a simple bow but rather a divine-bow handled by a GOD himself, yet still it's felled by a underrated enemy. That too in which type of source? A purana (of all sources) which is biased in favor of Vaishnavism & sri krishna. Yet they admit Sri Krishna's bow had fallen.
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Parshuram was knocked out by bhishma's attack: "I shot at Rama a powerful and heart-piercing arrow endued with great speed. Afflicted with that shaft, Rama then, his bow loosened from his grasp, fell down upon the earth on his knees, reft of consciousness!"
Elephant's were able to tank/with-stand his attack.
Act of Bhishma: "The son of Santanu made the terraces of many cars empty, that best of car-warriors showering arrows, cut off many heads. Endued with energy equal to that of the Sun himself, he shrouded the very Sun with his arrows. And he removed his enemies from around him in that combat like the rising Sun dispelling the darkness around. And in that battle, O king, arrows were shot by him in hundreds and thousands that were powerful and possessed of great impetuosity and that took in that conflict the lives of numberless Kshatriyas. And in that combat he felled heads, by hundreds, of heroic warriors, O king, and elephants cased in thorny mail, like summits of mountains by heaven's bolt."
Survival of elephants: "Infuriate elephants rushed hither and thither, and car-warriors by hundreds were slain. And car-warriors, along with their cars, were crushed on all sides."
Logic - if a elephant rushes then thats a clue to the fact a elephant was alive so the arrows of bhishma are not fatal.
Conclusion; parshuram's durability remains inferior to a elephant of the pandav army.

Hanutati himself was bleeding a couple of times in ramayana.
(1st-Example) Devi Lankini knocked Hanuman out:
"Thereafter that Lanka made a great sound causing terror and hit Hanuma, the best among Vanaras, with her palm quickly. Then that tiger among Vanaras, the powerful son of Vayu, being hit powerfully by Lanka made a great sound. Thereafter that Hanuma became dizzy with anger and folded his fingers of left hand."
http://valmikiramayan.pcriot.com/utf8/sundara/sarga3/sundara_3_frame.htm
Logic don't talk about hanutati beating her later pay attention to how hanutati got swooned & became dizzy, how he was knocked out like a wimp.
Other example/incident; "The two generals stood by the side of the illustrious Hanuma. Praghasa pierced Hanuma with a sharp-pointed spear and Bhasakarna attacked him with a dart. With his limbs wounded by those two demons, that Hanuma with his body-hair anointed by blood, became enraged, with his blaze similar to that of a rising sun."
Conclusion: not just the personalities of god-head (parshuram/krishna) but even hanuman undergoes pain during a battle.
So nothing impressive in Ravan bleeding just cause hanutati did a sneak attack on ravan when ravan was busy lifting a weight (laxman).
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TAIL CHAPTER.
The achievement of his tail being too heavy for Bheem to lift should be addressed now. Their exist's a minor possibility of Bhima holding back during his attempt of lifting Hanuman's tail (he was not using his full physical might).
1st reason is that Hanu spoke respectfully to Bhima so Bhima would not behave in an agressive manner towards him.
Evidence:
'Out of kindness, O hero, do I dissuade thee. Do thou hearken unto my words. Thou canst not proceed further from this place. Therefore, O lord, do thou desist. O chief of men, to-day in very way thou art welcome to this place.'
Logic - hanu adressed bheem as a hero. If a person spoke respectfully to you then you would not wish to cause them any real harm, the same mindset could be bheem's here.

The other reason he might've been holding back is cause hanuman was a user of illusion/magic (maya). Which shall be explained later in this very post itself.

Bhima's attempt:
'Then with both arms he pulled it, resembling the pole reared in honour of Indra. Still the mighty Bhima could not raise the tail with both his arms. And his eye-brows were contracted up, and his eyes rolled, and his face was contracted into wrinkles and his body was covered with sweat; and yet he could not raise it. And when after having striven, the illustrious Bhima failed in raising the tail, he approached the side of the monkey, and stood with a bashful countenance.'

Reason provided by hanutati;
[quote]
"O son of the Kurus, this path is impassable to mortals. For this, O Bharata, as also with the view that none might defeat or curse thee, have I obstructed thy passage to this path trod by the immortals. This is one of the paths to heaven, for the celestials; mortals cannot pass this way."
Basically their was no way hanuman would allow his dear brother (Bheem) risk his life or potentially die trying to cross a forbidden path (guarded by hanutati).

Inconsistency that occur's immediately after:
"The monkey with his arms again embraced Bhimasena. And O Bharata, on Bhima being embraced by his brother, his fatigue went off, and all (the powers of body) as also his strength were restored. And having gained great accession of strength, he thought that there was none equal to him in physical power. And with tears in his eyes, the monkey from affection again addressed Bhima in choked utterance."
Logic - this quote is proof that bheem was tired if bheem was not fatigued then this quote implies that hanutati was the one who is tired.
The quote has other important facts to consider, it shows that Hanuman hugged bheem, so imagine how much the weight of Hanuman's chest/abdomen were compared to his tail? Logically its heavier than his own tail correct?

Modern calculation; "20-25% of the weight is occupied by the chest 25-30% of the weight is occupied by the abdomen."
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Possible reason behind bheem failing:
Obsessed bhakts of hanutati will try to paint this incident as 1-sided by making it look like the tail part of hanu's body was very light compared to the full-weight of his body. The bitter fact is probably that hanutati used magic to make his tail much heavier than it normally is to make it unmovable. A similar power is wielded by Suyodhana too, he could hold his breath for a extended time period & he could make (water in a lake) still (immobile/frozen). While yudisther had his own magic/maya powers. Its possible for hanuman to also have similar abilities because this incident occurred a very long time after the story of Ramayana ended.

Type of magic:
Either hanuman made his tail immobile (still/moveless) or he increased its weight to a maximum degree or the 3rd option (he tricked bheem via mind control into thinking he was using his full power when he was really using only a fraction.

Yudisther could change his own body-weight; "Do ye not entertain any fear of this wretched Rakshasa, I have checked his speed." https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03156.htm
Word's of vaisampayana: 'Yudhishthira made himself ponderous to the Rakshasa. And being oppressed with the weight, he could not proceed rapidly as before.'
Note; Jatasura lifted yudisther, the twins & Droupadi together (all 4 people) up before but now somehow just yudisther alone became too heavy of a load to carry/abduct, so clearly foul play is involved here, yudisther's bodyweight/mass grew somehow.

By the time of MB Hanutati had the ability to disappear, vanish & re-appear.
Quote 1: 'Having said this unto Pandu's son, and also pointed him out the way. Hanuman vanished at that spot.' https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03150.htm

Quote 2; 'When that foremost of monkeys had gone away, Bhima, the best of strong men, began to range the huge Gandhamadana along that path.' https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03151.htm
Conclusion - all this clearly hints that hanuman had magical abilities, so him being able to change the weight of his tail or him tricking bheem into believing fake lies (he could convince bheem that he was utilizing his full power to lift the tail but the truth is bheem was not using his full power) is definitely a possibility.

Evidence Bhima was not at his full power:
"And as he drank of the waters, like unto nectar, his energy and strength were again fully restored; and he fell to plucking and gathering Saugandhika lotuses of excellent fragrance."
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Logic - this quote is after the meeting with hanuman it proves that Bhima needed to regain power/stamina he formerly lost.

Other possible reasons why "Bheem could not move or lift his tail":
1 - The battle with kubera's krodha vasa sena happened before hanuman met Bhima, but the narrator (Souti/Vaisampayan) got events mixed up so the chronology has been badly affected but point is that Bhima would be tired or wounded after this battle so he was not at full physical strength.

Countering any BS claim that hanubhakt supporters have made below (they believe that warriors do not get fatigued, tired or exhausted in a battle). Here is the debunk before i move on to the next reason why bheem failed to lift his tail.
Raam was tired of walking & running because he had to roam several areas in AryaVarth.
[Quote]
"Greatly fatigued, Rama (Scion of Kakutstha) accompanied by Seetha as the third (Lakshmana being the second) who was accustmed to all comforts, happily spent that night at the lovely hermitage of Bharadwaja."
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Hanuman gets tired very easily.
[Quote]
"The son of Air-god Hanuma whose glossiness is like that of a mountaintop and who is a mastermind in scrutinising every inscrutable forest, then spoke to all of the formidable Vanara-s. We all have searched the southern quarter including those places that are enmeshed with meshes of mountains, and we are overly fatigued, but Maithili is unnoticed."
[End]
Proof pandavas would become tired:
Quote;
"O king, a confidential agent of mine residing in Dwaraka came to me. He had seen Arjuna, that foremost of Pandu's sons. Indeed, the latter has been very much emaciated with the fatigue of many battles. O puissant monarch, that agent of mine informed me that the mighty-armed hero is very near to us."
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Note - Arjuna is the toughest pandava brother so this passage is confirmation that even bheem could become tired.
Proof (that Arjuna was tougher than Bhima);
"Amongst all the Parthas, Phalguna is the strongest."

Quote;
"Both Nakula & Sahadeva are fatigued, having fought with the wretched Dhartarashtras and their followers!"
Logic: This quote is from before duryodhan hit sahadeva in the head with a lance only for ulook to the do the same. Sahadeva earlier proved his power against a vanar superior to hanutati called "Mainda"
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Droupadi was tired of traveling;
Krishna addressed Yudhishthira, saying "We see footpaths here, and various fields. From this it appears that Virata's metropolis is still at a distance. Pass we here what part of the night is still left, for great is my fatigue."

Dhritrashtra praises her;
[Quote]
"O Radheya, they are mighty warriors and naturally able, they are now devoted to ascetic austerities. King Yudhishthira will not suffer his wrath to be awakened, but Bhimasena is naturally passionate. The daughter of Yajnasena is energy's self. Full of pride and folly, ye are certain to give offence. Endued with ascetic merit she will certainly consume you, or perhaps, those heroes, armed with swords and weapons!"
"Nor, if from force of numbers, ye seek to injure them in any respect, that will be a highly improper act, although, as I think, ye will never be able to succeed."
"The mighty-armed Dhananjaya hath returned thence to the forest. While unaccomplished in arms, Vivatsu had subjugated the whole earth before. A mighty warrior as he is and accomplished in arms now, will he not be able to slay you all?"
[End]
Comment; he warns karna & believes even droupadi might be a threat for him. Point here is that she was believed to be a serious fighter more dangerous than angaraja yet she was vulnerable to becoming tired.
Ashwathama was a victim of tireness too:
"Those car-warriors headed by Kripa, filled with grief, took leave of the king & went away to a place far removed from that spot. Having proceeded far, they beheld a banyan under whose shade they stopped, greatly tired & exceedingly anxious about the king."
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A trio of brave warriors that were deemed maharathis, two were brahmins that practiced semen retention (they were bachelors) still end up craving beverages.
Quote;
"They themselves became thirsty. Overpowered by wrath and vindictiveness, those great bowmen could not put up with what had occurred, burning as they did with the slaughter of the king."

More evidence;
"Heavy with sleep, they laid themselves down on the bare earth. They had been exceedingly tired & greatly mangled with shafts. The two great car-warriors, Kripa & Kritavarma, succumbed to sleep."
Logic - Kritvarman defeated Bheem twice on day fourteen. So a warrior greater than bheem was vulnerable to fatigue.

Hanuman was tired so easily:
"He again continued his flight. But, he very soon became weak and exhausted. Then Mount Maināka emerged from the ocean and fed Hanūmān with fruits and roots. He reached Laṅkā at dusk."
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Conclusion: so not hard in thinking that bhima would become tired too. Or that guru Drona was tired at day 14.
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WHY HE FAILED TO LIFT THE TAIL;
2 - Indonesian Mahabharat is more authentic/reliable so its version of events is correct & the kmg/bori version is fake. Basically their Bheem & Hanumana just kick eachother they do not engage in a tail movement challenge.

Reference]
"In the long final scene, Bima angrily marches forth and meets Hanoman, who kicks him over. Bima then does the same to Hanoman. Their divine father Beiyu intervenes to reconcile them. Beiyu has exactly the same form as Bima except for the god-spot on his forehead."
[End]
Logic work's - that their was no win or loss, they had a draw.

In Ramayan this Hanutati's whole body was dragged around by foot soldier's.
[Quote]
"That Ravana, who was endowed with an extraordinary energy, saw Hanuma the foremost of monkeys, being dragged hither and thither by demons."
Bheem is not inferior to the lankan infantry men, so him being unable to drag or move Hanuman's tail makes no sense at all.

I incline to agree with indonesian mahabharat here as for this incident it makes much more sense.
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3rd reason is that this tail incident could be a mistranslated one.
Clues in Mahabharat.
This chapter said Bhima had a fight with hanuman:
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"Bhima's meeting on his way, in a grove of bananas, with Hanuman, the son of Pavana of great prowess; Bhima's bath in the tank and the destruction of the flowers therein for obtaining the sweet-scented flower his consequent battle with the mighty Rakshasas and the Yakshas of great prowess including Hanuman; the destruction of the Asura Jata by Bhima; the meeting with the royal sage Vrishaparva; their departure for the asylum of Arshtishena and abode therein: the incitement of Bhima by Draupadi. Then is narrated the ascent on the hills of Kailasa by Bhimasena, his terrific battle with the mighty Yakshas headed by Hanuman; then the meeting of the Pandavas with Vaisravana."
Logic - since kmg vana parva does not describe any physical duel it only describes an attempt of lifting his tail that either means this quote (from Adi Parva) is unreliable/fake or it means that the text of Vana Parva was tampered with.
Other issues with the text: hanumana was clearly a vanara not a rakshas or yaksha, but he gets lumped in with both groups in the quote.
4th reason for why bhima failed to lift hanumans tail; Maybe his expertise in lifting came down to push strength and not pull strength. Pulling is different from pushing.

The only other reason i can think of is that the whole incident of him trying to lift hanu's tail & failing in doing so) is a interpolation so that is why it makes no sense.
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Even if hanuman did overpower or defeat or humiliate bheem then it is not important because of the fact that bheem was not what he is commonly believed by hindus & indians to be, meaning he is not physically the "most powerful man" alive in mahabharat at all, he did not possess the most physical strength in any way.
Many other characters existed who possessed the strength of ten thousand elephants like king Paurava, Jarasandha etc, surely jarasandha could not have been very far from bheem when he was able to put up a fight for fourteen days straight. Even duryodhan is mentioned to have that much strength (10,000 elephants).

Identity of the puru king. According to puranas his name was "Venudari" (friend to Emperor Jarasandha) and in Mahabharat his name was "Viswagaswa" (individual whose conquered and subjugated in the rajasuya war by pandavas).
Quote:
"So also king Paurava who was endued with the might of 10,000 elephants, hath, with all his followers, been slain by Pandu's son Arjuna."
Quote:
"Thence, surrounded by the kings and the peoples he had subjugated, the hero marched against king Viswagaswa that bull of Puru's race. Having vanquished in battle the brave mountaineers, who were all great warriors, the son of Pandu, O king, then occupied with the help of his troops, the town protected by the Puru king."

Maharaj Dhritrashtra;
"Dhritarashtra sought for Bhima, like a blazing fire ready to burn everything that would approach it. Indeed, that fire of his wrath, fanned by the wind of his grief, seemed then to be ready to consume the Bhima-forest. Ascertaining the evil intentions cherished by him towards Bhima, Krishna, dragging away the real Bhima, presented an iron statue of the second son of Pandu to the old king."
"Understanding that thou wert filled with rage, O bull of Bharata’s race, I dragged the son of Kunti away from within the jaws of Death. O tiger among kings, there is none equal to thee in strength of body. What man is there, O mighty-armed one, that would endure pressure of thy arms? Indeed, as no one can escape with life from an encounter with the Destroyer himself, even so no body can come out safe from within thy embrace. It was for this that yonder iron statue of Bhima, which had been caused to be made by thy son, had been kept ready for thee."
Logic - even if we assume that krishna's praise was a exaggeration it still does not change the fact he believed dhritrashtra could kill bheem (assuming that bheem was off guard & would not keep his muscles/bones tightened when dhritrashtra hugs/embraces him) still dhritrashtra can be considered one of the top men when it came to physical strength in the epic, if not the toughest (like Krishna said) then at least in the top ten.

10,000 elephant strength is not exclusive to Bhima:
"Others (of their class) possessed strength equal to that of ten thousand elephants. Others, again, were endued with the impetuosity and might of the very wind. They have all perished in battle, slain by men of their own class. I do not behold the person (save one of their own class) who could slay any of them in battle."
Comment: clearly yudhisthir mentioned that many warriors had the power of 10,000 elephants.

Bhishma restrained vrikodara;
Bhimasena began to grind his teeth in rage, the monarchs beheld his face resembling that of Death himself, at the end of the Yuga, prepared to swallow every creature. And as the hero endued with great energy of mind was about to leap up impetuously, the mighty-armed Bhishma caught him like Mahadeva seizing Mahasena. And, O Bharata, Bhima's wrath was soon appeased by Bhishma, the grand-sire of the Kurus, with various kinds of counsel. And Bhima, that chastiser of foes, could not disobey Bhishma's words. But, O king, even though Bhima was angry, the brave Sisupala depending on his own manhood, did not tremble in fear. And though Bhima was leaping up impetuously every moment, Sisupala bestowed not a single thought on him, like a lion that recks not a little animal in rage. The powerful king of Chedi, beholding Bhima of terrible prowess in such rage, laughingly said "Release him, O Bhishma! Let all the monarchs behold him scorched by my prowess like an insect in fire." Hearing these words of the ruler of the Chedis, Bhishma, that foremost of the Kurus and chief of all intelligent men, spoke unto Bhima.
Explained; Bheem was being egged on & repeatedly provoked by sisupala so it makes no sense for him to just allow bhishma to keep him in check even if he wanted his grandfather's reputation/honor to be kept safe. The reason being that if Bheem was truly that concerned of the type of pain he could commit against bhishma then a easy solution is to lie to him & say "hey pitamah i promise i will not attack sisupal or fall for his taunts, but release me i need to go to the bathroom" then bhishma would set him free & seeking a moment bheem could easily get near sisupal and attack him. But he choose to do neither and the reason was cause bheem was physically incapable of releasing himself out of bhishma's grasp here.

I have already explained arjuna's superiority over bhima so i will not repeat it.
Conclusion - So just cause hanuman was better compared to Bhima that does not mean he was better than other mahabharat warriors when it came to physical strength.
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Rubbish claim of hanu bhakt's - "He survived the brahmastra"
Reply: I will explain why this is not impressive.

Because Vibhishana & even Jambavan also survived it.
[Quote]
"Looking at Jambavan, the son of Brahma, who was naturally bequeathed with old age, an elderly person, with his body conspicuous of hundreds of arrows and a valiant person looking like an extinguishing fire, Vibhishana approached him and spoke."
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Logic - hanutati probably just ducked behind a rock or tree while Indrajit's weapons were being casted on the field.

It's stated he shot golden maces & arrows at hanu/other vanaras not brahmastra:
[Begin] "Tearing asunder the principal monkey-warriors by maces and arrows, which were of golden colour, that Indrajit rained a multitude of showers of arrows equal to sun's rays on Rama and Lakshmana." [complete]
Comment - it'd appear like the story of him using brahmastra against hanuman (during yuddh kanda not sundara) was invented by devotees to make hanuman's loss look less embarrassing.
A mace doesn't come out of the brahmastra. So it can be guessed that he only used it against Raam/Laxman. If a character is not the target of Meghanada's brahmastra then it becomes easy for that character to survive it.

The Sundar Kanda part has been addressed before, the reason of hanutati surviving was due to a 2nd restraint/bind placed upon him, it was the casual goof/mistake done by foot soldier's that resulted in him being safe. But hanuman was not grateful to the foot soldiers for doing that for him.

Here it is again;
Sarga 48 "That powerful Hanuma, tied with those chords of hemp and bark, was relieved of the missile, since the bondage of that missile does not indeed coexist with another bondage." Sarga 51 "Hanuma, liberated from the missile being dragged away by the demons and afflicted by the ties of ropes, could not realize that he was liberated from the missile."
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Hanu's peak lifting achievement is overrated:
"And the youthful monarch was endued with wonderful prowess and a physical frame hard as the thunderbolt, so that he could, taking up the mountain Mandara with its forests and bushes, support it on his arms."
Maybe his physical lifting strength was greater compared to Hanutati. Cause hanu lifted a small peak but not a hill or a mountain.

Ghatotkatch could easily use magic to make himself appear to be a mountain:
"He assumed the form of a high mountain, crowded with cliffs and trees, and possessing fountains from which ceaselessly flowed spears and lances and swords and heavy clubs. Beholding that mountain-like mass of antimony, with countless weapons falling from it, Drona's son was not at all moved. The latter invoked into existence the Vajra weapon. The prince of mountains, then, struck with that weapon, was quickly destroyed."
Lifting mountains is not a great or impressive achievement. Unless the mountain which is referenced is 1 of the ultra level mountains, like Mandara (where Shiva resided once) or Mahameru.

Arjuna as Nara was capable of doing this;
"Ye both, by your might, hold the universe."
So his physical strength was more than just holding a planet, since the universe means more than just a solar system.
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Hanuman being on the flag or chariot/umbrella of Arjuna is fake, but his devotees will say that he protected Arjuna or was seated on a flag-staff device/part of the vehicle. I have already made a post (multiple years earlier) detailing which times, chapter's, incident's & battles this "ape" was mentioned.
Guess what? Never was the name of "maruti" or "hanuma" stated in those chapters.
So i reached the obvious conclusion's that it was EITHER a different ape (possibly Mainda cause he was the only other vanara still alive) OR it was a illusion of Vishwakarma (a fake manifestation of a vanara to intimidate a warrior that is on the-opposite-side of the battlefield).

My post however had only analyzed the quotes from Kurukshetra but not the possibility of the ape being present on Arjuna's chariot during Rajasuya Parva, Virata Parva etc.
Below is a list of possible 'counter-quotes' that might be used by hanuman bhakts. I will also provide a list of debunks that i have come-up with.
1 [begin]
"Arjuna having on his banner the sign of devastator of the gardens of Lanka's lord."
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Debunk; this only means the spokesperson think's the ape is a individual who burned garden's of lanka it is not a way of them claiming they think its Hanuman. Reason being that lanka was burnt in yuddh kanda too, their were many vanaras apart from hanumana who were involved.

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"When the troops of monkeys, with torches in their hands, attacked Lanka on all sides, the diversely eyed demons who were holding the position of guards, suddenly fled away. Those monkeys, feeling gladdened, threw fire to the towering gates, attics, streets, various byways and mansions. Then, the fire consumed thousands of houses of demons. Mansions of mountainous forms fell down on the ground."
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Analysis; no names have been stated to identify the vanaras that committed the burning apart from Sugriva & hanutati.

From this: 'Seeing those monkey-chiefs, standing at the gate, with flaming torches in their hands, Ravana was enraged with fury.'
Logic - it can be assumed that clearly their were more than just 2 vanaras that did the burning so nothing wrong with my point of assuming that the MB character was referring to a different vanara who may have burned the gardens of lanka.

For those who believe that garden's were not burned;
"That City of Lanka at night with its house-tops being burnt ablaze with flames, looked like Kimshuka trees in full bloom."
Conclusion; it was not hanuman who was referred too by the MB character.

Even if it's assumed the spokesman believed that apart from hanutati nobody else had burned lanka then still a different argument could be provided in return that the image on top of the flag looked like hanumana but was not really him, instead it was a ape who had identical appearance.

Or it was a illusion of vishwakarma (that would convince onlookers that hanu was present on the vehicle).
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Proof the animal or ape/vanara/painting/portrait associated with arjuna's chariot/flag was not hanumana himself.
Narrative: "Varuna also gave two inexhaustible quivers, and he also gave a car furnished with celestial weapons and whose banner bore a large ape."
Note - just ape is stated nothing about it being hanumana or a son of vayu dev.

Passage of text; "And there sat upon that flag-staff a celestial ape of form fierce like that of a lion or a tiger. Stationed on high, the ape seemed bent upon burning everything it beheld. And upon the (other) flags were various creatures of large size, whose roars and yells caused the enemy's soldiers to faint." https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01228.htm
Basic's - hanuman was not mentioned by name here either, also this's proof their were other creatures (or drawings of creatures) on the staff or flag of arjuna's chariot, so the ape/vanara was not the only beast who was present. You could also carefully read the battles of virata parva & kurukshetra, nowhere did this 'ape of arjuna's vehicle' BURN any of his opponents during a fight with them.

Rajsooya Yudh.
Quote;
"Making this earth tremble with the sound of his drums, the clatter of his chariot-wheels, and the roar of the elephants in his train."
Note - here attention was only given to the roars of elephants in arjuna's army, not a random ape from the flagstaff of his chariot.
Gandharv War: 'Pandavas thus cased in mail, and mounted on those chariots furnished with flagstaffs and armed with bows and arrows, looked like blazing fires.' https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03242.htm
Note; where is the special importance to the banner of arjuna's chariot? Maybe cause it was not special in anyway Vaisampayan/Souti refused to elaborate upon the vehicle or it's flag this time.
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Apes can be summoned by roudrastra: "as soon as it had been hurled, there appeared on the scene by thousands, forms of deer, and of lions, and of tigers, and of bears and of buffaloes, and of serpents, and of kine, and of sarabhas, and of elephants, and of apes in multitudes."
[end quote]
Logic; It's entirely a possibility the ape on arjuna's flag-staff was one that manifested as a result of a roudrastra that either Arjuna himself or a different being utilized. This could easily happen as Krishna, Shiva both possessed the weapon.
Here apes were mentioned as living alongside gandharvas of Kuber's empire;
[Start] "And they also saw hillocks teeming with various minerals, thronged with Vidyadharas, inhabited on all sides by monkeys and Kinnaras and Kimpurushas, and Gandharvas, and filled with peacocks, and chamaras, and apes, and rurus, and bears, and gavayas, and buffaloes, intersected with a network of rivulets, and inhabited by various birds and beasts, and beautified by elephants, and abounding in trees and enraptured birds."
Comment - after the word chamaras & before the word rurus. Maybe one of them was the portrait of the vanara decorated as the banner of Arjuna's vehicle.

Garood was on arjuna's flag;
"And Agni gave unto the son of Pritha the excellent bow Gandiva and a quiver that was inexhaustible, and a war-chariot bearing the figure of Garuda on its standard."
So it was not hanuman. Rather it was garuda instead, yet hindus gave all credit to hanumana instead.
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Hanuman alternating or shapeshifting his physical size is not impressive.
Iravan also edited his own form/appearance:
"That Naga, O king, assumed a huge form mighty as Ananta himself. With diverse kinds of Nagas then he covered the Rakshasa."
Logic - he basically turned himself into seshnaag (who is at minimum superior to hanutati).
A user of antardhan astra could do it.
[Quote]
"By the Antardhana weapon all these were made to disappear. Now the beloved one of his preceptor (Arjuna) appeared tall and now short; now he was seen on the yoke of his car, and now on the car itself; and the next moment he was on the ground."
[Ending]
Basically - Karna, Drona, Arjuna all three had the weapon so they could also change their own form, appearance/physicality.
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Claim of hanubhakt's "he ate the entire sun itself aka Surya Dev".
Debunk:
Sarga 21 "Thereafter, when you were a boy you have see the just risen sun in the vast of forest, and deeming it to be a just ripen reddish fruit, and thinking it to be a best catch, you hopped up and flew towards sun on the sky."
Sarga 22 "Even on your flying up three hundred yojana-s, oh, brave monkey, and even when sun's radiation puffed and blown you down, you did not get into any anguish as were indefatigable."
Sarga 23 "Oh, mighty monkey, even on seeing you who are coming near the vault of heaven, Indra is captivated by anger and by his effulgence he catapulted his Thunderbolt at you."
Sarga 24 "Then, your left cheekbone, zygomatic arch, is broken when you fell down on a highest mountaintop, from thereupon your name-phrase is indeed averred as Hanumaan."
{Ending]
Logic - clearly its stated that he only made an attempt but failed in doing so, he did not eat, consume, swallow, or chow down upon the sun itself.
People say hanuman is a god because many people believe him to be one. Well my reply to that is their are even more people who worship "Allah" & prophet Muhammad, and Jesus Christ. These 3 infact have more followers than all gods in hindu religion/sanatan dharma combined.
Point - number's dont mean everything. Just having more followers than Indra will not make Hanuman more divine. Hanuman is factually not a god but Indra is one.

Him not being a form, son, amsha/avtaar (of Lord Shiva) has already been explained by me in a former post from 2021;
Reminder - hanuman having bhakt's or temples or devotees does not mean anything. The amount of supporter's that this namard hanuman has is irrelevant, it's not a valid point. Their are more Muslim's and Christian's than their are Hindus. Numbers dont decide which religion is best in life. Hanuman was never labelled a god as per Ramayana or Mahabharat.
Neither was he some incredible warrior as his bhakt's hype him up to be.

I have not used any gaalis or disrespectful language in this post the only exception being that i have called him "hanutati" as opposed to his true name. But overall i did well & was civil for most of the time in the post.

Thursday, October 17, 2024

Hanuman losing battles in Yudh Kanda.

His defeats in sundara kanda will not be discussed here. But i do intend on using uttara kanda for the purpose of his bezati. I was not able to find the lava/kush incident, but it does not matter cause hanutati fans will try to bluff that he lost on purpose.
Basically this post's real title should be 'Putting an end to the hanumana topic (Part 6)'
With this out of the way here's the post.
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List of times when Meghanada beat hanutati:
Meghanada's first day in war.
{Quote};
"That very strong and powerful Rama the son of Dasaratha ordered ten monkey-generals to search for the whereabouts of Indrajit. Rama the scourger of his enemies ordered Hanuman, Sanuprastha, Rishabha, Angada & Nila."
Logic: Among these ten Hanuman was also included.

"Indrajit, the son of Ravana, who was skilled in the use of magic weapons, by means of his arrows with great speed, released from his most excellent of bows, arrested the impetuous outbreak of the monkeys. Those monkeys of terrific bound, whose bodies were cruelly pierced by those shafts, were unable to see Indrajit in the darkness, as the sun is obscured when veiled in clouds."
Logic; Meghanada defeats all of them & then goes for Rama in the next verse.

"Indrajit, the victorious in battle, transfixed Rama and Lakshmana with those arrows that lacerated their flesh in great measure."
Logic - Here he gets called "victorious" clear indication of Meghanad being the winner.
So far hanutati lost 1 time.
Aftermath: "Indrajit, full of joy and victorious in conflict, returned to Lanka, spreading happiness among the demons."
Logic - how come hanutati did nothing when his lord/bhagvan (raam) was knocked out cold by shri meghanada? How could he let meghanada return peacefully into lanka? The only explanation is that hanuman accepted his own defeat, i mean he failed to injure meghanad but meghanad injured hanuman & he also defeated raam/laxman here, its fair to say meghanad is a better warrior than hanu.

Condition of hanutati after the above incident.
Quote: "These monkeys, having their eyes dilated due to fear, are signaling some words into each other's ear, terrified as they were."

Joins a group;
Hanuman, Angada, Nila, Sushena, Kumuda, Nala, Gaja, Gavaksha, Panasa, Sanuprastha and the mighty Jambavan with Sunda, Rambha, Shatabali and Prithu all these monkeys, armed with trees, reorganized their ranks, stood alert, surveyed the quarters of the sky up and down and on every side and, even if a grass stirred, they exclaimed, "It is a demon!"
Logic; this proves hanutati was like a fox who could only attack in a pack, now due to the intimidation of meghanada he is choosing to act like a bodyguard for the corpses of laxman/raam. If hanutati alone was enough (for the lankansthen this type of behavior would not occur.

Hanutati was CRYING.
{Proof}
"All the tawny eyed monkeys, who heard Rama's lament thus, allowed tears to fall from their eyes."

"Meanwhile, Vibhishana having established order in all the ranks, with mace in his hand, came quickly to Rama. Seeing him, who resembled a mass of collyrium, hastening towards them thus, all the monkeys thinking him to be Indrajit the son of Ravana, fled away."
Logic - this in itself proves who the better warrior was, how scared hanuman was of meghanada.
"It is Vibhishana who has come here. On seeing him, the foremost of monkeys seized with terror have fled, deeming him to be Indrajit, Ravana's son. You reassemble those monkeys immediately, who in fear have scattered in many directions and inform them that it is Vibhishana who has come!"
Note - it was sugriva who understood the difference between appearance in vibeeshan/meghanad. He said these words to angada, so angada is given the job of encouraging hanumana. This shows even angad was frightened of meghanad.

THIS FEAR WAS A 2ND VICTORY OF MEGHANADA.

OTHER BATTLE:
"Indrajit the excellent demon struck all those foremost of monkeys, namely Hanuman, Sugreeva, Angada, Jambavan, Sushena, Mainda, Dvivida, Nila, Gavaksha, Gavaya, Kesari. Tearing asunder the principal monkey-warriors by maces and arrows, which were of golden colour, that Indrajit rained a multitude of showers of arrows equal to sun's rays on Rama and Lakshmana."
Words of Shri Ram; "O Lakshmana! This Indrajit, by a great missile, is throwing down our army of monkeys and tormenting us incessantly with his sharp arrows." "Let this chief of demons, who is surpassing all, be covered with a multitude of showers of arrows. This entire army of Sugreeva, whose leading warriors have fallen, looks no more charming." Thus causing the army of monkeys along with Rama and Lakshmana to become despondent in battle, that Indrajit, getting eulogized by the demons, quickly reached the city of Lanka."
According to Ram all Vanaras were surpassed by Meghanada, every Vanar had fallen like a kutta when they faced Meghanad.
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That is 3 DEFEATS (the part where hanutati ran cause he assumed vibeeshan was meghanad is included).

Next battle.
Their was a incident where namard hanutati made an attempt to slay Meghanad or best him. As usual hanutati failed.
[Quote]
"Vibhishana told Lakshmana in the following words that while with bow upraised, Indrajit sought to kill Hanuma."
"Having seated in a chariot, Indrajit, who conquered Indra, is seeking to kill Hanuma."
"Hearing the words of Vibhishana, who was fearful to his adversaries, the great-souled Lakshmana saw Indrajit."
[End]
Point - vibeeshan feared for the life of hanuman.
What Hanutati was doing when Laxman got importance again.
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"This Lakshmana, who ascended Hanuma's back."
[eNd]
Logic - Hanutati challenged Meghanad for a close combat fight, when Meghanad was going to accept it then hanutati backed out of the match and chose to assist Laxman instead.

[Continuation]
"Thus speaking, he struck Lakshmana with seven arrows and Hanuma with ten excellent sharp-edged arrows."
Point; bravely countering and fighting 2 people Meghanad again proved the greater warrior, he dominated both namards of arya varth.
Hanuman as usual needs to be in a group and fight like a pack of wolves and cowards to combat one lion.
That was the 4th victory.

Final battle.
"The enraged Indrajit also struck down hundreds and thousands of monkey-chiefs by using a multitude of arrows in the battle-field. Stretching his bow to a circle, that enraged Indrajit the conqueror in battle, exhibiting supreme agility, began to kill the monkeys. Thus being killed by steel arrows, those monkeys of terrible prowess sought refuge in Lakshmana, as people would take refuge in Brahma the Lord of Creation."

[quote]
"Indrajit, filled with martial anger, struck Vibhishana in his auspicious face, with three arrows. Having struck Vibhishana, the leader of demons, with three arrows, Indrajit struck all those monkey chiefs with a single arrow each."
[end]
Logic - hanutati was one among those chief's.
Nowhere is it mentioned that hanu retaliated or fought back. So it's the FIFTH time that he defeats hanuman.

Meghanad wins against him outside of ramayana too [even when a group helps hanuman].
Quote:
"He hid himself in the sky and shot the nāgāstra given to him by Śiva against the enemy. That arrow rendered Lakṣmaṇa, Sugrīva and all the monkeys unconscious. At that time Vibhīṣaṇa was away to arrange for food. When Vibhīṣaṇa returned with food he was taken aback to find Lakṣmaṇa and others lying in an unconscious condition. Rāma was informed about the matter and when he came to the battle-ground and saw Lakṣmaṇa, Sugrīva, Hanūmān and all the others lying there unconscious he lost self-confidence for a short while and remarked that it was all the result of his having put faith in Vibhīṣaṇa, Rāvaṇa’s brother whom he had put in charge of the battlefield."
Logic; According to this purana besides raam/vibeeshan all others were swooned or in states akin to near-death. So all were defeated by Meghanada.
Again hanutati loses:
Quote 1
"Indrajit, exploiting the situation shot Brahmāstra against Lakṣmaṇa under cover of the clouds. Lakṣmaṇa, Sugrīva and others fainted."
Complete 1
Quote 2
"Indra appeared, gave to Vibhīṣaṇa Gaṅgā water in a golden vessel and asked it to be given to Hanūmān and Jāmbavān, who, though unconscious were not dead. Vibhīṣaṇa did so and both Hanūmān and Jāmbavān regained consciousness."
Completed 2
Logic - this time it was due to brahmastra not nagastra.
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Kumbhakarna ChapteR.
According to valmiki's ramayana Kumbhkarna defeats Hanuman 3 times (at minimum):
When Kumbhakarna first made his grand entry and all hanuman was able to accomplish was running away like a chutiya with a dozen gandu vanars also copying his running style like Usain Bolt.
[Passage]
"Thereafter, with the coaxing words and inferential arguments by Angada, all those fleeing commanders of monkeys turned back."
 [enD's]
Quote.
"Dvipada, Panasa and hanuma marched ahead very quickly, with their faces turned towards the battle."
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Logic - Cause hanuman was among this trio that went back to fight in the war its clear he was motivated by Angada's speech so he was also among the vanaras that ran away like cowards from Kumbhakarna. 

The conflict in which both warriors hit eachother but Hanuman was the one to lose.
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"Kumbhakarna struck Hanuma on his chest, as Guha (the son of Shiva) struck Krauncha mountain with his powerful javelin. That Hanuma, struck in his broad chest by the spike in that great combat, was highly perturbed and while vomiting blood from his mouth, awfully roared like the sound of thunderous clouds at the time of dissolution of the world. Looking at the perturbed Hanuma, all the troops of demons then suddenly shouted with rejoice. The monkeys, on their part, felt restless and being oppressed with fear, ran away from the battle-field."
Laxman orders the ape warriors to climb on top of kumbhkarn;
"Let the foremost of monkeys ascend well upon his body from all sides. Following the commanders of their troops, let the monkey-leaders stand, surrounding him. If we do in that way, that evil-minded demon would be harassed by the huge weight, making him to crawl on the floor and cannot kill the other monkeys."
Logic - Yes hanutati was not the BEST vanara, but he is among their top 10 warrior's, so he should be considered 1 of the "foremost" but angada was unconscious during this moment. And sugreev should be absent cause the army does not want to risk him getting captured.
So this moment could be used to show hanuman's defeat but not sugriva or angad losing.

Kumbhkarn fought vanaras;
"Kumbhakarna, when climbed upon by the monkeys, was enraged and shook them off with violence, as a vicious elephant would shake off its mahout. Seeing the monkeys shaken down, Rama on his part understanding that he was enraged, jumped up speedily towards the demon."

Bonus defeat - If hanuman was willing to protect Sugreev from Kumvakarna's spike then what excuse could he possibly have for not doing anything to save sugreev after kumbhakarna took him prisoner? Clearly hanuman was afraid.
Conclusion: So 4 losses to shri kumvakarna.
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HANUMAN LOSING IN OTHER SOURCES.
Kumbhkarna's action;
{defeat of hanutati}
"Kumbhakarṇa regained consciousness and from anger struck with a club Māruti who fell to the ground unconscious. He picked him up with his arm encircling him like a serpent, like an elephant picking up something with his trunk, and put him under his arm."
{Vibeeshan to Ram}
"I intend to release them, so they will not be taken to Laṅkā. Hanumat, who is held by Kumbhakarṇa with his very strong arm, must be freed without his reaching Laṅkā, Raghūdvaha. Master, without Sugrīva, Bhāmaṇḍala and Hanūmat, our army is without soldiers, as it were."
MORE EVIDENCE FOR KUMVAKARNA'S WIN;
"Hanumān, who had grown to huge proportions, came down on the ground and stood firmly in front of Kumbhakarna. He smashed him on the breast with a mountain peak and the Rākṣasa reeled back in pain. Quickly recovering, the Rākṣasa struck Hanumān a terrible blow with his pike. The monkey was rendered almost senseless and he fell back, vomiting blood. Seeing Hanumān thrown down, the Rākṣasa forces cheered loudly and the monkeys fled in fear. Nīla quickly came forward and rallied the troops."
Logic - obviously the character who did more damage was Kumvakarna, the one who felt more pain was hanutati, so Kumvakarna defeated hanuman fairly according to this variation as well.

Hanubhakts claim 'our hanuman said he could grow to a bigger size and end or squash kumbhkarna very easily'.
MY DEBUNK;
[Quote]
"Indra’s younger brother Viṣṇu has been sent by Devas due to the words of the Earth. O my heroic friends, he is already scorched by my valour. I do not mind him at all."
Note - just cause Kamsa said it or bragged does that mean it really happened? Had kamsa defeated vishnu or even injured him (as he claimed "vishnu is scorched by me")? As far as i can tell their is no line in the puranas which reference vishnu fighting or meeting kamsa.

Conclusion; So just because Hanuman claims that he can grow to a size more massive than kumvakarna or that he can defeat kumbhakarna that does not make his claim a fact. Valmiki could not even read the minds of people so how can he know a internal thought of a character in the war? So it is doubtful whether these were the true thoughts of hanuman at all.
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List of OTHER warrior's beating hanumana.
Ravan did a OPM (1 punch man saitama) vs hanuman;
"The powerful Ravana, enraged, his eyes red with fury and whirling his fist with force knocked it down violently on Hanuma's chest. Under the shock, Hanuma reeled once again. Seeing that mighty Hanuma exhausted, Ravana turned his chariot towards Nila."

Failure to check Ravan's javelin.
{quote}
"Hanumat, Nala, Bhāmaṇḍala, Virādha, and others struck it as it fell with their own weapons. Despising the strength of their weapons, like a rogue-elephant a goad, it fell on Lakṣmaṇa’s breast like submarine fire into the ocean. Pierced by it, Lakṣmaṇa fell on the ground and a great cry."
Tamas Astra incident exist's but it isn't worth elaborating. The point is even during incidents where hanuman combines his power with others he still failed against ravan.
This's not from 'Uttara Kanda' but it is from Padma Purana.
Suratha's victory vs him:
He fixed the Rāma-missile (i.e. the missile presided over by Rāma) on his bow, and said these words  “O best monkey (now) you are bound.”
Hanuman admits his loss;
To the king Hanūmat said "O king, what do I do now? You have bound me with the missile of (i.e. presided over by) my master, and not with any ordinary one. I respect it O king, take me to your city. That abode of kindness, my master, will come and release me."
Shatrooghan's opinion:
"You have done a great feat that you have bound the son of Wind (i.e. Hanūmat). You have overthrown even the great hero Puṣkala and so also my other very mighty and brave warriors in the battle."
Akampana Parva.
"Seeing that rocky peak shattered in the air by the demon's arrows and falling in pieces, Hanuman became mad with anger. Then, the highly enraged Hanuman began to run with great strides, breaking down the trees by his strength and tearing up the earth with his feet. Hanuman struck down elephants as also who rode upon them and charioteers with their chariots and the terrific infantry of demons."
Logic: here hanuman took his frustration out against innocent animals that did not injure or touch him or seetha but still he targets them, cause his rock attack was countered by akampana, this's the sign of a salty butthurt and frustrated loser.

"With fourteen sharp arrows that tore the flesh, that Akampana pierced the highly valiant Hanuman. Riddled with sharp-pointed shafts, that warrior Hanuman appeared like a mountain on which a number of plants shooted up."
Comment - Akampan injures hanutati not only once but a total of 14 occasion's, it can be seen as him overpowering hanuman but not defeating him.

POINT; Yes hanutati killed akampana, but this incident is worth bringing up as a anti hanuman incident, because of the reasons (he was injured 14 times, he took his rage out on innocent animals after he failed). Akampana put up as impressive of a resistance against hanuman as king porus did against alexander.
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Ramopakhyana:
Hanuman was defeated & slain in the battle when Ravan attacked.
[Quote]
"Rama, thereupon, prayed them to grant him firm adherence to virtues and invincibility in respect of all foes. And he also asked for the restoration to life of all those monkeys that had been slain by the Rakshasas, and after Brahma had said SO BE IT, those monkeys, O king, restored to life, rose up from the field of battle, and Sita too, of great good fortune, granted unto Hanuman a boon, saying Let thy life, O son, last as long as (the fame of) Rama's achievements! And, O Hanuman of yellow eyes, let celestial viands and drinks be ever available to thee through my grace!"
[End]
Logic - indra revived all vanaras that were dead, since hanuman is not brought up until after the resurrection was mentioned any logical individual can make it out as "hanumana lost his life during the war itself" either Ravan or a servant of ravan killed hanutati.
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Suratha's win against hanu is a embarrassment cause Ravan defeated Suratha in Uttara Kanda.
Quote for evidence;
{Begin's}
Having triumphed over Marutta, the Lord of the Rakshasas, Dashanana, ranged the royal cities thirsty for combat and, approaching the mighty monarchs who were the equals of Mahendra & Varuna he said to them "Fight or submit! Thus have I resolved, there is no escape for you!" Thereupon, though not faint-hearted, those sagacious monarchs, fixed in their duty, took counsel together & despite their great strength, recognizing the superior power of their foe, O Dear Quid, all those princes, Dushkanta, Suratha, Gadhi, Gaya and the King Pururava said to him "We are defeated!"
{It's over}
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Since meghanad won 5 times (yuddh kanda), kumvakarna won 3 times (directly not counting the capture of sugreev), ravan defeated hanuman twice (in sarga 59) and once in the tamasa missile chapter so its a total of 12 losses.

So clearly Hanuman was not a undefeated fighter at all. The reality his devotees have to accept is that sisupal, duryodhan, sakuni & ulook (the son of sakuni's wife) were superior to hanuman.

Monday, August 26, 2024

Kumbhkarna Puran

Intro; 2 sources will be used, Mahabharat and Ramayana.
The intentions behind this post are to create an article which can be used as a debating resource by myself & others that have interest in the story of Ramayan.
One warrior that gets downplayed, underestimated, underrated, ignored, sidelined, or misportrayed in popular fanfiction presented on television screens is Kumbhkarn, one of Ravan's brothers.

Part 1 will discuss the battles kumvakarna had against devas & anyone before the lankan war. Part 2 will detail his achievements against only vanaras. Part 3 is about his duel vs raam/laxman.
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PART 1)
Against Yama:
1-"He is the powerful Kumbhakarna, the son of Visravasa. He conquered Yama and Indra in battle. There is no other demon, corresponding to the size of his body."

2-"Seeing that demon of terrific eyes who could not be destroyed by Yama the lord of death the monkeys ran away."

3-"Anyone who even stands before me, the god of death, holding forth a weapon in a great battle here, is venerable. What to tell about a person who bestows battle on me?"
Quotes for his battle against Indra.
1st:
"Seeing that demon of terrific eyes who could not be destroyed either by Indra the lord of celestials or by Yama the lord of death or by Varuna the god of water, the monkeys ran away."
2nd:
"Indra also gets frightened of me, having a mountain-sized body wielding a sharpened pike, having pointed tusks and even as I roar. Without using a javelin or a mace or a sword or sharp arrows, I myself, on getting excited, can kill even Indra, with my bare hands."
3rd
"That Mahendra wielding a thunder-bolt was enraged and struck Kumbhakarna with his weapon of the white thunderbolt. The great souled Kumbhakarna struck by Indra's thunderbolt was quite agitatated at it and roared loudly with anger. Enraged as he was on Mahendra, the mighty Kumbhakarna then pulled out a tusk of Airavata, Indra's elephant & struck it into Indra's chest."
"That Devendra, tormented by the hit of Kumbhakarna, was burning with rage. The celestials, Brahmanical sages and demons were suddenly aggrieved. Even Indra with his people went to the abode of Brahma the Lord of creation."
4th
"He is the powerful Kumbhakarna, the son of Visravasa. He conquered Yama and Indra in battle. There is no other demon, corresponding to the size of his body."
5th:
"Even the powerful Indra, the lord of celestials, who mounted Airavata the elephant and accompanied by all celestials, did not ever stand before me in battle."
6th:
"O brave demon! You are telling that while you show your prowess, the heroes like Indra and others feel unbearable; it is true. Just now, I have seen your prowess."

Uttar Kanda version;
Kumvakarna's involvement in the battle against Indra & other devas.
[Quote]
"And the wicked Kumbhakama, brandishing weapons of every kind, came there, O King, unaware with whom the conflict was taking place; using his teeth, his feet, his hands, lances, picks, mallets or anything whatsoever in order to assail the Gods in his fury. Having attacked the formidable Rudras, it went ill with that Ranger of the Night, who, in an instant, was riddled with wounds; and the army of the Rakshasas, hard pressed by the Gods, assisted by the Hosts of Maruts and armed with every weapon, were completely routed and, in the struggle, some fell on the earth mutilated and palpitating, whilst others remained clinging to their mounts."
Next quote; "Meantime Dashagriva, seething with anger on seeing his army entirely overthrown by the Gods, hurled himself with one bound into that sea of warriors, slaying the Celestials in the fight and challenging Shakra himself."
The lines ''hard pressed by the gods" & "it went ill with that ranger of the night" {other word for Rakshasa/daitya} & "seeing his army entirely overthrown" clearly hint at the fact that (at least according to Uttara Kanda) the devtas/rudras defeated Kumbhkarna. Of course because this paragraph comes from Uttara Kanda its reliability is disputed/debatable.

Cause in Uttara Kanda the antagonist Ravan was vulnerable to getting killed by a character called Yamraaj. Yet according to Yuddh Kanda the character of Kumbhkarna was immune to death against Yamraaj.

Cross References.
Word of Ravan again;
"Earlier, together with you I conquered the celestials in a battle between the celestials and demons. You also conquered them."
Note - Here when Ravan said 'together with you' he was talking to more than just 1 single character, he was actually adressing a group of his courtier's, ministers, friends & servants. In much simpler terms he said that "all of us together defeated the devas" the claim "together with you" was not a reference to Kumbhakarna alone.

Ravan believed he could only annex Indra through the support of Kumbhkarn (that's probably the way he waged war against the devtas before):
"O Kumbhakarna! Now that you are dead, how can I conquer Indra the lord of celestials?"

Vibeeshan's quote hints at a Indra vs Kumvakarna duel.
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"Kumbhakarna, my elder brother born after Ravana, who is valiant and highly powerful, has enough strength to fight against Indra in battle."
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Comment - Parenthesis text (lord of celestial's) was in the way so it has been deleted by me. This line does not prove he defeated indra but rather that he could compete with/duel vs indra.

Besides the devas he had other opponents but they do not receive any worthwhile attention in Ramayana. Kumbhkarn also had many off-screen battles against danavas but none are described in great detail at all.
So a theory has to be made here, its possible the danavas he had beaten were Maya (father to Mandodari) or Madhu (cause he was labelled the Danavendra of that era).
Quote:
devadaanava darpahaa = who humbles the pride of the celestials and demons

Gandharva Yudh.
Quote;
[etena = by him; sahasrashaH = thousands of;] [yakSaaH = a class of demi-gods; bhujangaaH = serpent-demons; pishitaashanaashcha = ogres; gandharva vidyaadhara pannagaashcha = celestial musicians; celestial artistes & kinnaras yudhi = in battle.

It's commonly believed that Kumbhakarna was able to scare BRAHMA (from the tridev club) as much as i would like for that to be the truth (so their could be villains outside of the purans that could beat the tridevs) its actually a mistake by a translator.
Quote:
vitatraasa = was frightened;
Screenshot:
Logic This's from a authentic dictionary with credible information.

Not just the danavs but even the asuras were defeated by him.
[quote]
bahushaH = for several times; prativyuuhya = attacking; devaah = the celestials; asuraaH = and demons; daivaasureSu yuddheSu = in battles between celestials and demons nirjitaaH = were defeated tvayaa = by you
Theory; It is possible that asuras who were his victims (they lost but were not killed) are "Bali" (the vishnu-bhakt) or "Vana" (father of naraka). Cause Uttara Kanda says he married the sister of Vana who is Bali's duaghter.

Also cause Bali had no mention of being involved in a relevant incident after Ramayana it is possible he died before Mahabharat. But i doubt his killer was Kumbhakarna. Unless the indra (who vibeeshan claimed LOST vs Kumbhakarna) was actually Bali (since he got promised Indra's position).
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PART 2
1st] Slew three vanar elites.
Quote;
"Kumbhakarna only laughed at them and began to eat them up. And he devoured those foremost of monkeys known by the name of Chala, and Chandachala, and Vajravahu. And beholding that fearful act of the Rakshasa, other monkeys were frightened and set forth a loud wail of fear."
[End]
Logic - hanuman claim's that everyone in Sugriva's circle/council or vicinity is equal to hanuman or above hanuman, so my belief is that kumbhkarna killed 3 Hanumans as they were Hanuman's equal in battle power. They did nothing to prove they were stronger so i can't place Vajrabahu, Chandachala & Chala as individuals stronger than him. But its fair to consider them to be at least equal to hanutati.

Quote; "As directed by Raghavana, Neela the commander-in-chief and the foremost of the monkeys, ordered the monkey-troops suitably. Then, Gavaksha, Sharabha, Hanuma and Angada looking like mountains, reached the gate, taking the mountain-tops."
Logic; hanutati's rank was below Nila's. Mahagandu hanuman followed the orders of Neela.

2nd]
Kumbhkarn vs other vanaras.
Quote;
"Looking at the perturbed Hanuma, all the troops of demons then suddenly shouted with rejoice. The monkeys, on their part, felt restless and being oppressed with fear, ran away from the battle-field. Thereupon, cheering up the army and stopping them, the mighty Neela then hurled a mountain-top on the intellectual Kumbhakarna.
Seeing that mountain-top befalling on him, Kumbhakarna then struck it with his fist. By that strike of the fist, that mountain-top was burst into pieces and fallen down on the ground, with sparks of fire and blaze. The five excellent monkeys, Rishabha, Sharabha, Neela, Gavaksha and Gandhamadana marched ahead quickly towards Kumbhakarna. Those five mighty monkeys struck the large-bodied Kumbhakarna from all sides, with crags, trees, palms of their hands, feet and fists in battle.
Perceiving those blows merely as the senses of touch, Kumbhakarna was not at all perturbed. He enfolded the greatly agitated Rishabha in his arms. Squeezed by Kumbhakarna's arms, the awful Rishabha, the foremost among the monkeys, fell down with blood coming out of his mouth. Then, in battle, the enraged Kumbhakarna, the enemy of Indra, beating Sharabha with his fist and Neela with his knee, struck Gavaksha with a palm of his hand and struck Gandhamadana violently with his feet. Perturbed by the blows given by Kumbhakarna, those monkeys being moistened with blood, were bewildered and fell down on the ground, like chopped off Kimsuka trees. Seeing those mighty chief commanders of monkeys falling down on the ground, thousands of monkeys ran towards Kumbhakarna."

Victory vs Angada;
"Seeing the monkeys defeated in that great battle, Angada the son of Indra, ran rapidly towards Kumbhakarna. Taking a large mountain-top, Angada, roaring repeatedly and frightening all the demons following Kumbhakarna's heels, hurled the mountain-top on Kumbhakarna's head. Struck on the head with that mountain, that Kumbhakarna, Indra's adversary, with a great rage, was excited and then ran rapidly towards the wrathful Angada. Frightening all the monkeys with his great roar, the mighty Kumbhakarna hurled his spike at Angada with anger. Knowing that the spike is going to fall on him, the mighty Angada, the chief of the monkeys, who was skilled in war-fare, avoided it with his alacrity. Jumping up Angada struck on Kumbhakarna's chest, with the palm of his hand. Thus beaten with anger by him, Kumbhakarna resembling a mountain, became giddy. Getting his consciousness, that mighty demon threw down Angada by tightening his fist with a scorn. Angada fell down unconscious. When that Angada the foremost among the monkeys fell down unconscious on the ground, Kumbhakarna ran towards Sugreeva, taking that spike in his hand."
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First victory against Hanutati:
His roar & entrance was all that was needed to scare Hanuman to the point where Hanuman fled like a rat despite having multiple vanaras with him.
Raam's word
[start]
"He alone with a huge body here on this earth, is appearing like a solitary meteror, by seeing whom all the monkeys are running away hither and thither."

"The highly enraged Kumbhakara devouring the monkeys on is way, is running towards us. Even on merely seeing Kumbhakarna, the monkeys have now fled away. How can the monkeys check him, who is thus enraged in battle?"

QuotE.
"Kumbhakarna emitted a roar, making the sea to reverberate, causing the mountains to quake and drowning the thunder-claps, as it were. Seeing that demons of terrific eyes who could not be destroyed either by Indra the lord of celestials or by Yama the lord of death or by Varuna the god of water, the monkeys ran away."
[Quote]
"Dvipada, Panasa and hanuma marched ahead very quickly, with their faces turned towards the battle."
[done]
Logic - Cause hanuman was among this trio that went back to fight in the war its clear he was motivated by Angada's speech so he was also among the vanaras that ran away like cowards from Kumbhakarna.

[Passage]
"Thereafter, with the coaxing words and inferential arguments by Angada, all those fleeing commanders of monkeys turned back."
[enD's]

Other incident;
"Seeing that slayer of his foes on the royal high way, that monster as high as the peak of a mountain, those monkeys stationed outside the city, as also their leaders, were frightened suddenly. Some gained refuge in Rama who affords protection, some fell down tottering, some fled away perturbed in all directions and some others lay on the ground, confounded with fear. Seeing that colossus appearing like a great peak, having a diadem who seemed to touch the sun with his brilliance, the monkeys were seized with terror and had grown immensely in size, fled hither and thither."
It's a scene which happen's before kumbhakarna talked to Ravan. Prior to the 66th chapter.

Later battle;
"The heroic Rama, enraged with red-hot eyes, as though he was scorching the enemy with his looks, walked with speed, causing delight to all the leaders of the monkey-troops, who were tormented with the fear of Kumbhakarna and quickly marched towards the demon."
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2nd victory against hanumana;
[Quote]
"Staying in the sky, Hanuma showered mountain-tops, rocks and various types of trees on Kumbhakarna's head. The mighty Kumbhakarna broken those mountain-tops and shattered the torrent of trees with his spike. Then, taking the dreadful spike in his hand, Kumbhakarna ran towards that terrific army of monkeys. Taking a mountain-peak in his hands, Hanuma stood in front of the approaching Kumbhakarna. The enraged Hanuma struck with violence Kumbhakarna, who was endowed with a magnificent body and looking like the most elevated mountain. Thus attacked by Hanuma, Kumbhakarna was stumbled with a sprinkling of blood and with his limbs succulent with flesh. Holding firmly the spike, which was bright as lightning and looking like a blazing mountain-peak, Kumbhakarna struck Hanuma on his chest, as Guha (the son of Shiva) struck Krauncha mountain with his powerful javelin. That Hanuma, struck in his broad chest by the spike in that great combat, was highly perturbed and while vomiting blood from his mouth, awfully roared like the sound of thunderous clouds at the time of dissolution of the world. Looking at the perturbed Hanuma, all the troops of demons then suddenly shouted with rejoice. The monkeys, on their part, felt restless and being oppressed with fear, ran away from the battle-field."
[Ending]

3rd victory against hanuman is a indirect one. Based on my analysis of events and reasons. It is when Sugrīva got captured by him then it was a victory of kumvakarna against all vanars because of various different reasons. First of all kumbhkarna did it in front of hanuman, the second one is that hanuman expressed his desire to try and save Sugrīva but understood he himself was incapable. So he backed off.
I know hanubhakts won't agree but I have a easy debunk to their arguments. A excuse like "hanuman did not want to save Sugrīva because it is disgraceful for a king to be saved by a minister" is lame. Cause Raam was also a king (but in exile) he recieved help from a minister (hanuman) when it comes to searching for seetha.

Hanuman himself helped Sugrīva by looking for the whereabouts/location of seetha so that the promises (made by Sugrīva to Raam) can be fulfilled. So if he is willing to help in a situation like that then it makes no sense why he wouldn't aid Sugrīva when his life is in danger unless the obvious choice (hanuman was afraid of Kumbhakarna).
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4th incident - It is a possibility that hanutati was among the vanar leaders that tried to climb on kumbhkarna but were shaken off.
Word's of laxman;
"Let the foremost of monkeys ascend well upon his body from all sides. Following the commanders of their troops, let the monkey-leaders stand, surrounding him. If we do in that way, that evil-minded demon would be harassed by the huge weight, making him to crawl on the floor and cannot kill the other monkeys."
Logic - Yes hanutati was not the BEST vanara, but he is among their top 10 warrior's, so he should be considered 1 of the "foremost" i do not believe angada was in that group (which climb on kumbhakarna). The reason is angad was unconscious at the moment & sugreev should be absent too because the army at this point already risked losing the war cause he got captured briefly. So they would not risk letting their king get so close to kumbhakarna this time.
Deeds committed by vanaras;
"Hearing those words of that intelligent Lakshmana, those monkeys were rejoiced and mounted on the body of Kumbhakarna. Kumbhakarna, when climbed upon by the monkeys, was enraged and shook them off with violence, as a vicious elephant would shake off its mahout. Seeing the monkeys shaken down, Rama on his part understanding that he was enraged, jumped up speedily towards the demon and took an excellent bow."
Result is that kumbhkarn wins again.

Power difference/comparison with Hanuman:
"As the illustrious Kumbhakarna did not waken from his slumber despite those great sounds, all troops of demons seized hold of bars, pestles and maces towards him."
"Then, the cruel demons struck that sleeping Kumbhakarna on his chest with mountain-tops, pestles, maces, hammers and their fists."
"Even with all their strength, the demons could not stand upright before the breathing winds of Kumbhakarna, the demon."

Foot soldier's damaged Hanuman;
"That Hanuma, then being beaten with sticks and fists by the cruel demons, was dragged to the vicinity of Ravana. Then, recognizing that Hanuma, tied with barks of trees and ropes."
Hanuman got dragged around like a toy: "That Ravana, who was endowed with an extraordinary energy, saw Hanuma the foremost of monkeys, being dragged hither and thither by demons."
Clearly Hanuman was tied up by ordinary wood, trees & ropes. I think if Kumbhkarn was in his place then he could easily get rid of such low level restraints.
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Hanubhakts claim 'our hanuman said he could grow to a bigger size and end or squash kumbhkarna very easily'
MY DEBUNK;
[Quote]
"Indra’s younger brother Viṣṇu has been sent by Devas due to the words of the Earth. O my heroic friends, he is already scorched by my valour. I do not mind him at all."
Note - just cause Kamsa said it or bragged does that mean it really happened? Had kamsa defeated vishnu or even injured him (as he claimed "vishnu is scorched by me")? As far as i can tell their is no line in the puranas which reference vishnu fighting or meeting kamsa.

Conclusion; So just because Hanuman claims that he can grow to a size more massive than kumvakarna or that he can defeat kumbhakarna that does not make his claim a fact. Valmiki could not even read the minds of people so how can he know a internal thought of a character in the war? So it is doubtful whether these were the true thoughts of hanuman at all.

Sugrīva lost (in MB);
"And then, as if roused from his torpor by that blow, Kumbhakarna stretching forth his arms seized Sugriva by main force. And beholding Sugriva dragged away by the Rakshasa, the heroic son of Sumitra, that delighter of his friends, rushed towards Kumbhakarna."
As per Mahabharat king Sugrīva failed to injure Kumvakarn but according to Ramayana he succeeded in wounding the giant but according to both sources Sugrīva still loses the fight between them.
[Begin]
"Uplifting and tightly holding a mountain-top, the mighty Sugreeva ran towards the sturdy Kumbhakarna with speed. Seeing that Sugreeva coming rapidly towards him, Kumbhakarna, with all his limbs braced, stood facing the king of monkeys."
{BREAK}
"Sugreeva, firmly holding the mountain, hurled it quickly on him. He struck Kumbhakarna's chest by that mountain, which was as strong enough as Indra's thunderbolt. Soon after falling on his broad chest, that mountain was crushed to pieces. Then, the monkeys were suddenly distressed. The troops of demons roared with rejoice. Struck by the mountain-top, that Kumbhakarna was enraged and roared with his mouth wide open with anger. Holding firmly the spike, which was emitting a flash of lightning, he hurled it to kill Sugreeva, the king of monkeys and bears."
(HANUTATI STOPPED THE SPIKE)
"Uprooting a crest from Malaya mountain standing in the vicinity of Lanka and approaching Sugreeva, he struck him with it. Struck by the mountain-top in battle, that Sugreeva fell unconscious on the ground. Seeing him falling unconscious on the ground in battle, the demons were exceedingly pleased and cried out loudly. Seizing hold of that Sugreeva having wonderful and terrific prowess in battle, that Kumbhakarna took him away, as an impetuous wind takes away a cloud. Lifting up Sugreeva appearing like a huge cloud in the battle-field and marching forward, Kumbhakarna shone like Mount Meru, distinguished by its very high and formidable peak. Then, being praised in the battle-field by the demons for having seized hold of Sugreeva and hearing the sounds of the celestials who were wondering at the seizure of Sugreeva, Kumbhakarna the valiant chief of demons, sallied forth.
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Sugrīva broke his nose, ribs and teeth.
Quote;
"Thus thinking, Sugreeva tore asunder Kumbhakarna's ears by his nails as also nose by his teeth and ribs by his feet. Torn asunder with teeth and nails by Sugreeva, that Kumbhakarna with his ears and nose deprived and his limbs moistened with blood, was subdued with rage, threw Sugreeva down on the floor and crushed him."
[Complete]

Still he got crushed by kumbhkarna so kumvakarna had the last laugh.
Evidence:
"Crushed down on the floor by that terrific Kumbhakarna and struck by the demons, Sugreeva moved with speed like a ball towards the sky and got united with Rama."

What kumvakarna said to Raam "You need not treat me with contempt, as I am deprived of my ear and nose. To me, there is no agony even indeed a little, for having lost the ear and the nose."
Point; he felt no pain from Sugrīva's achievement.
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PART 3)
Magical power.
1] Regrowing of limbs.
[quote]
"But as soon as the two arms of the Rakshasa were thus cut off, double that number of arms soon appeared on his person. Sumitra's son, however, displaying his skill in weapon, soon by means of similar arrows cut off those arms also, each of which had seized a mass of stone. At this, that Rakshasa assumed a form enormously huge and furnished with numerous heads and legs and arms."
[end]

Other abilities:
Weapons came out of his mouth like fire is released from a dragon's mouth.
[Quote]
"The demon with his very sharp teeth, rained spikes on the monkeys, like Yama, the god of death, risen to power at the end of the world-cycle."

Versatility.
Kumbhkarwas an archer too.
[Start]
"If Rama today survives even after facing the rapid blows of my fists, then my flood of arrows will drink the blood of Rama."
Durability.
1] Withstood attack of king Sugriva.
[Quote]
"that high-souled king of the monkeys swiftly approaching the Rakshasa, violently struck him on the head with the trunk of a Sala tree. And though the high-souled Sugriva always prompt in action broke that Sala tree on the head of Kumbhakarna, he failed to make any impression on that Rakshasa."
[End]
Logic - don't forget how much blood got shed from Vali's body due to Sugriva's attacks as per Kishkinda Kandam.

Sugriva vs Vali:
"Vali and Sugriva rushed to the encounter, fighting with Sala and Tala trees and stones. And they struck each other down on the earth. And leaping high into the air, they struck each other with their fists. And mangled by each other's nail and teeth, both of them were covered with blood."
Logic; Unless u believe Vali was covered with Sugriva's blood instead of his own u have to admit Kumbhkarn's durability was better than Vali's.

Arrows that prove to be the mrityu of VALI failed against kumbhakarna:
[quoTe]
"Those arrows, which chopped off the Sala trees and killed Vali the foremost of monkeys, could not torment Kumbhakarna's body which was like a thunderbolt. Sucking those arrows with his body, as mountains suck up torments of water, that Kumbhakarna, flourishing his hammer with terrible speed, hindered the tremendous speed of Rama's arrows."
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Laxman vs Kumbhakarna (only ramayana not other sources).
Quote:
"Immediately, Lakshmana the son of Sumitra, the annihilator of the foe's army and conqueror of the cities of adversaries, commenced the battle with a rage. The valiant Lakshmana pierced seven arrows into the body of Kumbhakarna. He took some more arrows and released them too. Tormented by that weapon of Lakshmana, that demon destroyed it completely. Thereupon, the aggressive Lakshmana was enraged. Then, Lakshmana covered the shining and charming golden armour of Kumbhakarna with his arrows, even as the wind would make an evening-twilight cloud completely disappear. Kumbhakarna, looking like a mound of collyrium, tormented by the arrows, decked with gold, shone like the radiant sun with its rays screened by clouds.
After this he has a conversation and laxman is pushed aside.
Quote.
"Hearing in this manner, that mighty Kumbhakarna the demon, brushing aside Lakshmana and crossing him, ran, as though he is causing an earth-quake, towards Rama."
[END]
Conclusion - though laxman did put up a decent resistance against him in the finale Kumbhakarna overcame him. Possibly the praise he granted laxman was just a sarcastic speech (kumbhkarn spoke) to catch laxman off guard so he could get a chance to throw him away like a softball.
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Valmiki compared Kumbhkarn to Vishnu himself:
"Seeing that paramount demon, whose appearance was in the form of a mountain and looking like Lord Narayana."
Again he got compared to Vishnu: "Adorned with all ornaments to all his limbs and with a spike in his hand, that demon shone like Narayana, the all-embracing Lord, enthusiastic to take the three long strides."

According to Ramayana he was drunk before the battle occurred;
"Having drunk two thousand pitchers, Kumbhakarna prepared to set out and slightly inebriated."
His physical condition below:
nidraamada samaakulaH = but filled with an intoxicating drowsiness

Kumbhkarn's armour was heavy so it reduced his physical speed/movement.
[Begin]
"Secured with a golden armour, carrying a great load, impenetrable by weapons and as if blazing with its own splendour with flashing like lightning, Kumbhakarna shone as a king of Mountains, enveloped by clouds at sunset."
So he had a restriction (shackle holding the bulk of his power back) during his victory against hanuman/sugreev etc.
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Incident which makes no sense.
{Quoted texT}
"They crushed his limbs under piles of heavy logs and pillars, as also maces lifted with all their strength."
Logic - how did kumbhkarn even awaken let alone fight in war after his bones were broken?

But one thing i will clear up is that he was not a machine:
"Let all the monkeys be told that it is a kind of machine, advancing forward. By knowing this, they can become fearless by now."
Note; and his body was not that of a machine controlled by ravan or a brother of ravan either, he was born a giant instead.
Its clearly explained that either Vibeeshan or Raam chose to spread a rumor that kumbhkarna is a machine so the vanars become less intimidated by his entrance.
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Raam vs Kumvakarna [PART A]
"Thereupon, Rama, the son of Dasaratha, employing a spell called Raudra, discharged sharp arrows into Kumbhakarna's chest. Flames of fire mixed with particles of charcoal came forth from the face of Kumbhakarna, who was thus struck and who was running quickly towards Rama. That foremost among demons, struck by Rama's arrow, roaring terribly with rage, making the monkeys to run away in battle, ran himself towards Rama. Those arrows, adorned with peacock's plumes, penetrated into his chest. His mace dropped off from his hand and fell on the ground. All his weapons fell scattered on the ground. Considering himself as weaponless, that mighty Kumbhakarna then fought fiercely with his fists and arms. That Kumbhakarna, with his body struck fiercely by arrows and bathed in blood, poured forth blood, even as a mountain would pour forth a cascade. With a terrific wrath, he felt insensible with blood. He roamed about, devouring the monkeys, demons and bears. Then, that Kumbhakarna, comparable to Yama the god of death, of terrific prowess and strength, firmly holding a fearful mountain-peak, hurled it towards Rama. Wile that mountain peak was still on its way and had not yet reached him Rama, fixing together his well-known bow and arrows, split the mountain in the middle, with seven straight-going arrows. Then, Rama, the virtuous man and the elder brother of Bharata, split the large mountain-peak which was hurled by Kumbhakarna at that time, with his variegated arrows made of gold. That mountain-peak, in the form of a peak of Mount Meru, as if shining with splendour, while falling, caused two hundred monkeys to fall."
After this a tactic is devised by laxman himself.

Kumvakarna vs Raam {part B};
"Seeing the monkeys shaken down, Rama on his part understanding that he was enraged, jumped up speedily towards the demon and took an excellent bow. The heroic Rama, enraged with red-hot eyes, as though he was scorching the enemy with his looks, walked with speed, causing delight to all the leaders of the monkey-troops, who were tormented with the fear of Kumbhakarna and quickly marched towards the demon. Taking in his hand, a terrific bow with a firmly fastened cord looking like a snake and looking variegated with its crust of gold, with a quiver full of excellent arrows fastened on his back and fully restoring the monkeys to confidence, that Rama quickly marched forward."
[BREAK]
"Seeing that Kumbhakarna, the foremost of demons, having a splendour of blazing fire, Rama, the excellent of men, then stretched his bow. Enraged by the twang of Rama's bow, Kumbhakarna, the foremost of demons, not tolerating that sound, ran towards Rama."
[BREAK AGAIN]
"Rama released plumed arrows. Even after struck by them, whose speed was equal to a thunderbolt, that demon was neither shaken nor afflicted. Those arrows, which chopped off the Sala trees and killed Vali the foremost of monkeys, could not torment Kumbhakarna's body which was like a thunderbolt. Sucking those arrows with his body, as mountains suck up torments of water, that Kumbhakarna, flourishing his hammer with terrible speed, hindered the tremendous speed of Rama's arrows. Then, flourishing that hammer which was smeared with blood and which can frighten the great army of celestials, in terrific speed, that demon scared away the army of monkeys. Thereupon, taking a great missile called Vayavya, Rama hurled it on the demon. By that weapon, he chopped off Kumbhakarna's arm along with the hammer. With his arm chopped off, Kumbhakarna roared tumultuously. That Kumbhakarna's arm, identical to a mountain-peak, which was chopped off by Rama's arrow, fell along with the hammer on that army of Sugreeva and killed that regiment of monkeys.
[BREAK]
"Having an arm chopped off by the arrow like a mountain-peak chopped off by a gigantic sword, that Kumbhakarna with his another arm, pulled up a tree by its roots and then ran towards Rama the lord of men in that battle-front. By his arrow, which was made variegated by gold and furnished with a mystic spell of Indra used for charming it, Rama chopped off Kumbhakarna's remaining arm, appearing like the coil of a serpent along with his uprooted palm-tree. That Kumbhakarna's arm, which appeared like a hill, was chopped off and fell down on the ground. Wallowing hither and thither, it dashed with trees, rocks, monkeys and demons. Seeing Kumbhakarna with his arms chopped off, abruptly with a roar, coming upon him and taking two sharp arrows with a shape of a half-moon each, Rama chopped off the feet of the demon in that battle. Creating a resound everywhere in all directions, even in hill-caves, in the great ocean, in Lanka as also in the armies of monkeys and demons, Kumbhakarna's feet fell down."
https://valmikiramayan.pcriot.com/utf8/yuddha/sarga67/yuddha_67_frame.htm

Logic; raam clearly wins but it was not a fair fight from the beginning, on one side is raam who is fighting in a fresh condition vs Kumbhkarn who already fought numerous battles.
Shri Kumbhkarn would have a better chance at defeating Ram if he fought him first instead of fighting Angad initially. Kumbhkarn was injured grievously by Angad, Hanuman, Sugreev, Lakshman cause in order to defeat all 4 of them he had to suffer wounds first.
Conclusion; Kumbakarna was the underdog in his fight with Raam as it was, not fair at all. If the deaths of bhishma, karna, shalya can be classified as unfair ones, then the death of Kumvakarna was much more unfair than theirs.