Friday, December 31, 2021

Putting an end to the Hanumana topic (4).

Intro - nothings gonna stop me from exposing hanutati again!
This time it will be strictly about Ramayana characters only.

Part A - which vanars are better warriors than Hanuman barring "Vali" as he has already been discussed in prior content. And the vanars i will be mentioning are all inferior to Vali but still better than hanutati.
https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2021/06/valis-achievements.html (this's a link to a previous post concerning the character of Mahabali Vali).

Part B - solely non vanara characters.

Also Hanuman was not "immortal" or "eternally youthful" he does not live forever, his lifespan is just as limited as ours, and as a dog's lifespan would be limited.

The verse of Kishkinda Kanda clearly states that:
"Oh, ablest Hanuma, the Thousand-eyed Indra kind-heartedly gave you a choicest boon saying that your death occurs only by your own volition." [4-66-28, 29a]
So his death will occur eventually, he is no immortal.
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Many vanars existed who were superior or stronger than 'hanutati' ever could be.
SUGREEV
[1st] Freed himself from Kumbhkarn's grip.
[2nd] Defeated prince Kumbha (son of Kumbhakarna).
"The valiant Sugreeva forcefully descended his fist, which shone like the solar disc encircled by a thousand rays, on the breast of Kumbha." "That Kumbha, very much hurt by that blow, was exhausted and then fell down, like fire whose flame has extinguished." "When Kumbha was killed in battle by Sugreeva the chief of monkeys, possessing a terrific prowess, the earth with its mountains and forests trembled."
[3rd] Kumbha defeated Angada.
"That Angada was very much perturbed and fell down, swooning. Seeing the unconquerable Angada fallen down and sinking into depression."
"Hearing of Angada being seized with anguish in that great combat, Rama sent out for help, leaders of monkeys, headed by Jambavan."

[4th] Sugreev defeated the vanars that were sent to murder him:
"He that very evil minded one tried many times to annihilate me, and Raghava, I killed those combatants monkeys that are deployed by Vali to kill me."
Logic - Vali is his brother and knows all about Sugreevs strength, power and ability. So he would not send some canon fodder or average warriors, he would send some very powerful men that are the best among vanaras after sugreev.

[5th] Sugreev's power against Vali.
"Sugreeva unhesitatingly uprooted a saala tree with his force and thrashed the limbs of Vali as with the thunderbolt thrashing a great mountain." [4-16-23]
"Those two, Vali and Sugreeva, with their sensational energy, triumphing zeal, frightful physiques, swiftness as good as the Divine Eagle Garuda, vigilance in exploring perilous body parts of one another, ravagement of their own enemies fought frighteningly, like the sun and moon in the sky, which is inconceivable." [4-16-25, 26a]
But Vali being the possessor of might and vigour progressed and though greatly mighty is son of sun, Sugreeva, regressed. [4-16-26b, 27a]
"Among those two there happened a deadly fight time and again using trees with branches, peaks of mountains, their own nails that are similar to the razor-sharp edges of thunderbolts, and with fists, knees, feet, and arms,"
Analysis: this above passage is filled of seperate selective quote's from the final fight with Vali, only meant to show Sugreev's pros instead of the con's, as Sugreev's power is often ignored, it is true he lost but it is also true that he performed well and brutally hurt Vali before his defeat.

Compared to hanutati.
Hanuman just runs away like a scared b!tch from mighty Kumbhkarna.
Vanaras that fled from Kumbhkarna:
"Thereafter, with the coaxing words and inferential arguments by Angada, all those fleeing commanders of monkeys turned back."
Hanuman being in the same group:"Dvipada, Panasa and hanuma marched ahead very quickly, with their faces turned towards the battle."
the guy that scared hanutati and kesari
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ANOTHER VANAR
Samnadha:
"Whose huge form no other four-begged animal is having, by which intelligent monkey, battle was given earlier to Indra the Lord of celestials on a field of battle but no defeat was sustained by him. He is a commander of commanders and the grand-father of monkeys, famous as Samnadana by name."

"This Samnada, whose striding prowess is equal to that of Indra the Lord of Celestials was born of a youthful Gandharva maiden and krishnavartman for the purpose of helping the celestials in a combat between celestials and demoneous."

Logic - the same Indra was much more powerful than that lallu or pajeet or hijda, or chutiya or bhagoda known as "Hanuman"
Hanuman's other defeat.
Quote:
"I heard an exceedingly roaring and hallooing sound, mixed with sounds of girdles and anklets in the abode of Ravana."
"Then, I was very much frightened and contracted my physique. I, on my part, remained hidden like a bird in that Simsupa tree dense with foliage."
This line happen's right after that: "Then, the mighty Ravana and his wives reached that place where Seetha was staying."
Conclusion; thus hanuman ran away like a coward once he saw brave and mighty Ravan with his wives coming to the place hanutati was at.
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Angada (son of mighty Vali).
First reason;
Why a hundred, if need be you are capable to go up to a hundred thousand yojana-s and come back... but this method of our sending you is uncanonical... [4-65-21]
Comment/Logic; This is a bigger achievement than hanutatis, cause hanutati's feat is only crossing one hundred not one lac (100,000).

OTHER REASON.
Angad foils the attempt lankan warriors made to capture him;
Hearing Ravana's words, four terrible demons seized Angada who, in his splendour, resembled a blazing torch. Then, the prudent and heroic Angada the son of Tara voluntarily allowed himself to be seized, in order to display his prowess before the host of demons. Then, seizing like unto birds those attendants clung to his arms, Angada leapt on to the palace that resembled like a mountain. All those four demons were shaken out by Angada's impetuous leap and fell on the ground there under the eyes of their king."
"Thereafter, the glorious Angada the son of Vali ascended the roof of Ravana's palace, which equaled the summit of a mountain in height. That roof of the palace, trampled by Angada, crumbled - as a peak of Himalayan range was shattered long ago by lightening - before Ravana's gaze. After destroying the roof of the palace, Angada proclaimed his name and with a triumphant roar, rose into the air."
"Causing restlessness to all the demons but delight to the monkeys, Angada approached close to Rama, who was stationed in the middle of the monkey-forces.Because of the destruction of his palace, Ravana on his part got extremely angry. Foreseeing his own destruction, he became a desponded demon."
Commentary; he even destroyed the roof of the lankan throneroom/court. It has nothing to do with his foot, but this achievement far surpassed whatever Hanumana did.

And as per Jambavan this Angad character could cross more than 100,000 yojanas while hanutati could only cross 100 at most, thats less than one percent of Angad's endurance, capability, stamina, swiftness & speed.

Hanuman also was never a match or challenge for Meghanad, so if Angad could fight better against Meghanad then Angad is superior to Hanuman as well.
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Neela - fought better against Ravan, Nikumbh etc than hanuman did, so he can be ranked above, hanutati only did better on one occasion that was his fight with kumbhkarn.

I can prove it very easily.
1ST PART
Performance of behenchod Hanuman:
"Thus spoken, the highly energetic and the valiant Ravana the Lord of Demons struck with a violent blow on hanumas chest with the palm of his hand. Hanuma, thus struck with Ravana's palm, reeled repeatedly."
"The powerful Ravana, enraged, his eyes red with fury and whirling his fist with force knocked it down violently on Hanuma's chest. Under the shock, Hanuma reeled once again. Seeing that mighty Hanuma exhausted, Ravana turned his chariot towards Nila."
2ND PART
Performance of Shree Nila:
"With his terrific arrows in the likeness of serpents, Ravana the powerful Lord of Demons pierced the vital parts of his enemy, thus overwhelming Nila the Monkey-general. Nila, the Army General of Monkeys, tormented by that hail of arrows, with one hand hurled a great rock at Ravana the king of demons. Then, the mighty Ravana, however, shattered the rock hurled by Nila with seven pointed arrows and it fell down, crumbling to pieces."
"Seeing that rock crumbling to pieces, Nila the Army-general the destroyer of enemies who resembled the Fire of Time, glowed with fury. In that fight, Nila hurled Aswakarna trees, Shala trees with extensive flowering, Chuta trees and other various types of trees. Ravana, confronting those trees, bursted them and showered a hail of dangerous darts on Nila the son of Fire-God."

"Showered by a multitude of shafts, as from a cloud, the mighty Nila assumed a diminutive form and leapt on to the point of Ravana's standard. Seeing Nila the son of Fire-God standing well on the point of his standard, Ravana inflamed with fury. Then, Nila shouted loudly. Beholding that monkey sometimes leaping on to the point of Ravana's standard sometimes on to the tip of his bow and sometimes on to the peak of his diadem, Lakshmana, Hanuma and Rama were astonished."
"The mighty Ravana, amazed at the monkey's agility, seized a marvellous and glowing arrow called Agneya the weapon of Fire. Thereafter, those monkeys who felt rejoiced to see Ravana disconcerted at the agility of Nila and had found an occasion for jubilation, shouted joyously."
Then, provoked by the shouts of the monkeys, his heart possessed with confusing, Ravana did not know what to do. Ravana the demon, taking up an arrow, charged with the missile presided over by the fire-God, aimed at Nila who had perched on the tip of his standard.
[CONTINUES]
Then, Ravana the king of demons said,: "O monkey! You are endowed with agility combined with a supreme power of magic." "Do you save your life if you can, eventhogh you are creating numerous deeds of various kinds indeed worthy of your own self, O, monkey!" "Even then, the arrow charged with a mystic missile I am about to loose, will severe you from life, which existence you seek to preserve." Thus speaking, Ravana the long-armed King of Demons, having placed Agni Missile with his arrow, struck Nila the Army-General.
Struck on the chest by the arrow combined with a missile, Nila being burnt all over, suddenly fell to the ground. Yet by virtue of the powerful aid of his father and his own native vigour, though brought to his knees on to the earth, he was not deprived of his life. Seeing Nila unconscious, Ravana, eager for fight, in his chariot whose rattling sounded like thunder-clouds, rushed on Lakshmana.

3RD PART
Comparison of how they encountered prince Nikumbha.
Performance of Shree Nila:
Nila too of great energy fought with Nikumbha. Nikumbha chopped Nila, having a radiance of a mass of collyrium in battle, by his sharp arrows, like a cloud by the rays of the sun. Then, Nikumbha the swift-handed demon again wounded Nila by a hundred arrows in the battle and laughed continuously. Nila chopped the head of the charioteer of Nikumbha by the wheel of the same chariot in that fight.

Performance of behenchod Hanuman:
The demons and the monkeys too, out of fear, were unable even to make the slightest movement. The mighty Hanuma, on his part, stood alone among them, with his breast bared to the fury of the attack, in front of Nikumbha. The strong Nikumbha, with his arms as strong as his club, hurled his club having sun-like splendour, on the breast of that mighty Hanuma. The titanic club, which fell on the wide and rock-like chest of Hanuma, at once shattered into hundreds of fragments, like hundreds of meteors shattering into the sky.
Thus struck by him, the mighty Hanuma the monkey-chief clenched his fist forcibly. The greatly splendoured, powerful and swift Hanuma, with the violence of the wind-god, his father, lifting that fist, struck it against, Nikumbha's breast with force. By the blow of that fist there, his armour got split up and red blood profusely oozed out, as a black cloud streaked suddenly with fierce lightning.
But, by that blow, Nikumbha was unmoved, recovered soon and grasped the unwieldy bulk of Hanuma. Seeing the mighty Hanuma lifted off the ground in battle, loud roar of exultant joy rose from the ranks of demons. Even though he was being carried off in that way by that demon, Hanuma the son of wind-god, struck him with his thunderbolt-like fist.
Freeing himself from Nikumbha, Hanuma the son of wind-god then threw him down"

Conclusion; it is clear that hanutati did not perform as well, he was a eunuch warrior who fails in battles, he ultimately defeated Nikumbh, it is true. But compared to Nila he had to do a lot of labor. Hanuman was even seized and captured in the middle of the fight. That was the opportune moment where Hanuman took Nikumbh by surprise as Nikumbhs hands were focused on keeping hanuman as a prisoner so he could not properly defend himself in case hanuman tries striking him instead of attempting to break free of the grip.
POINT Nila despite fighting nikumbh was never captured but PAJEET hanuman was captured. So Nila scores over hanutati here!

PART 4
hanumana went to lanka alone, nila could not do the same thing"
Debunk - because nila did not need too, if hanumana never existed then someone else would have went to lanka, dont forget that such a huge distance was covered in less time by vibeeshan who left lanka and went to kishkinda, and helped the bridges construction.
And check this link: (http://valmikiramayan.pcriot.com/utf8/kish/sarga65/kishkindha_65_frame.htm) over their Neela was not mentioned. So their is no proof of Hanuman being better than a real man like Nila.

Nila defeated Prahast.
"Then, that huge and terrific rock hurled by Nila the leader of the monkeys broke Prahasa's head into myriad pieces. That Prahasta who lost his breath, was disfigured and dead, bereft of his senses and at once fell on the ground like a tree cut up by the root."
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NEXT.
Dwividha & Mainda.
The accolades they got;
"These two illustrious sons of Ashvini Kumaras, Mainda and Dvivida are the foremost among the monkeys. In the battle-field, I do not find anyone who can fight against these two monkeys."
Their achievement;
"By the pride of those boons, those two heroic monkeys harassed a great army of celestials and thereupon drank up nectar, excited as they were with joy."
Mainda & Dwividh are better based solely on hanuman's own praise of them and their achievement against high class raksh warriors.
Yupaksha-vadh:
"Mainda, the foremost of monkeys, was enraged and pressed Yupaksha with his arms. Yupaksha fell down dead on the ground."
Shonitaksh-vadh:
"The valiant Dvivida, after splitting open shonitaksha's face with his claws, threw him down on the floor by his strength and crushed him down."

Same bros had this achievement against the vanara dou:
"Those two demons, Shonitaksha and Yupaksha, who were full of violence, carried on a keen contest with the two monkeys in the battle field, by pulling and overthrowing them vehemently and severely."

Dwividh kicked the a$$ of another raksh officer;
"Dvivida, with a mountain-peak, struck down Narantaka, the one among them who was rushing upon quickly and killing the monkeys."

I wish their were more, but unfortunately besides these VANARAS their are none (excluding Vali) that would beat Hanuman in a fight.
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Part b (the non-vanar's).
1] Suparswa.
Sampaati tells them:
"my son who is an enhancer of my gladness pacified me and said this sentence about what has actually happened" "Oh, father, I as a desirer of flesh flew up to skies in time and overspreading the Mt. Mahendra, I very well hovered on it. I have been hovering there looking downward to completely impede the pathway of thousands of underwater beings of the ocean on my own"
"There I have seen someone who in simile is like a shoved heap of mascara and he is going away captivating a lady who equals the aurora in her shine On seeing two of them I resolved to use them up for the purpose of food, but he benignly, basely and beggarly besought way-leave for their traversal There will be none assaulting those that entreat in a beggarly manner, even someone among basely people, isn't it!"
"Then what else is to be said of my kind, aha! He hastily went away as though enshrouding the skies with his vigour, and then the beings that move in the firmament have approached and applauded me.. The great-sages who approached me in firmament have said to me, 'fortunately Seetha is alive, somehow he that Ravana has gone away with Seetha who in fact is to be protected by one and all like you, anyhow your are blest without a doubt..." [4-59-18]
Suparswas last minute of fame: Though I am aware of the valour of that dirty-minded Ravana, I was rebuking my son saying, 'how you have not saved Maithili? My son has not effectuated my cherish even on hearing the bewail of Seetha, or at least on hearing that Rama and Lakshmana are separated from Seetha, or at least on knowing my friendship with Dasharatha..."
Thus Sampaati spoke to monkeys. [4-63-7b, 8a]
He made Ravan beg for his life. Something hanutati and ram failed in doing.

2] Jatayu.
His achievement's.
"On winnowing those arrays of arrows with both of his wings, he that highly refulgent Jataayu shattered the mighty bow of Ravana with both of his feet." [3-51-13]
"That highly resplendent lord of birds also blasted off the armour of Ravana, which is glowing and flamelike in its flare, with both of his feet. [3-51-14] Mighty Jataayu also knocked off the ghost-faced mules yoked to the chariot of Ravana which are covered in golden armours and tantivy in fastness." [3-51-15]
"Jataayu swiftly collapsed the parasol of Ravana which in shine is mirroring the full moon, along with the regalia of white-royal-fur-fans, together with the demons handling them for fanning Ravana." [3-51-17]
"Again that highly energetic and imposing king of birds pecked off the robust head of the charioteer of Ravana with beak." [3-51-18]
"Now Ravana who is with his devastated bow, devoid of chariot, dispatched are his horses and departed is his charioteer, and such as he is, he on grabbing Vaidehi by her torso, or, placing her on the lower end of his torso, jumped to earth." [3-51-19]
"Weaponed only with his claws, wings, and beak, Jataayu not only tore the back of Ravana asunder applying his beak and claws, but started to tweeze even his hair." [3-51-35]
"Jataayu, the lord of birds, being a vanquisher of enemies outstripped Ravana and ripped off ten left-arms of Ravana with his beak, with which left arms Ravana is clutching Vaidehi, in order to release her from his clutches." [3-51-38]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga51/aranya_51_frame.htm
"I outreached to rescue Seetha... and in a combat Ravana is rendered as one with utterly battered chariot... and I felled him and that chariot there... onto earth's surface... [3-67-17]"
"This one is his fragmented bow and this is his fragmented armour... oh, Rama, this is his combat-chariot... which, in combat shattered by me... [3-67-18]"
"This is his charioteer drop dead onto earth by my wings... when I am overtired Ravana gashed my wings and flew skyward taking Seetha of Videha kingdom with him, and it will be inapt of you to kill me who am already killed by the demon."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga67/aranya_67_frame.htm
He destroyed Ravan's armor, bow, chariot and felled Ravan once. Even killed his charioteer. He was tired so Ravan defeated him but not before the feats of Jatayu.
Jatayu held his own against Ravan:
"That king of eagle Jataayu, who has performed a creditworthy deed of stalling and combating Ravana"
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga68/aranya_68_frame.htm
Jatayu even tore Ravan's arms off he did what Hanuman could never do.

3] Tadka (yakshini).
Quote:
"Flinging up dreadful dust on those two Raghavaa-s, Tataka baffled them for a while with a massive cloud of dust." [1-26-15]
"Then taking hold of witchery she inundated both the Raghava-s with highly torrential stone rain, by which Rama became indignant." [1-26-16]
"That guise changer vanished after variously altering her aspects, and then on baffling them with her illusoriness and discharging stone storms she moved about appallingly." [1-26-19, 20a]
"And on seeing both Rama and Lakshmana who are being overspread by storms of stones from all-over, then the illustrious sage Vishvamitra spoke this sentence." [1-26-20b, 21a]
4] Wiradh.
"By his might has uplifted Rama and Lakshmana like babies by that might and courage alone, and placed them on his shoulders as one would place babies" "That nightwalker Viradha on placing those two Raghava-s on his shoulders gone towards deeper forest yelling very luridly." [3-3-25]
5] Kabandha.
He beat Laxman;
"Oh, valiant brother, see me, who am out of control on my inner-self, and gone into the control of the demon."
"He that overlong-armed Kabandha outstretching his overlong arms snatched both of the Raghava-s, keeping them side-by-side in his fists, and wringing them with his might."
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Basic's (final explanation & word of why these people were better than hanuman).
1 - Nila because he fought fairly against prince Nikumbh while hanuman got his ass kicked and cheated later on in their last round, Nila also fights better with Ravan. Nila was never captured by Nikumbh or foot soldier's the way Hanuman was.
2 - Mainda (due to hanuman's own words the praises he sang of this man).
3 - Dwividh (a result of his victory over raksh warriors that fought Angad).
4 - Sugreev (he freed himself from Kumbhkarn, ate his ear's and bloodied him, he even defeated the mighty raksh Prince Kumbha & was praised highly by Laxman).
5 - Angada (he overpowered Meghanad, and put up a better fight against Kumbhkarn than Hanuman ever did).
6 - "Sandhaman" (fought Indra to a standstill and certainly was more well respected among the vanar clan unlike hanumana).
7 - Jatayu (gave Ravan the toughest fight of his life) compared to this guy Hanuman is weak.
8 - Suparswa (this bird made Ravan beg for mercy, quarters etc).
9 - Parshuram (had a vaishnav arrow & experienced in slaughtering warriors with divine weapon's hanuman pailed in comparison to this guy).
10 - "Kabandha" (what to say of the legendary cannibal that defeated laxman and gave Ram a run for his money).
11 - Tadka (the mighty female Yaksha warrior, she encountered the two princes of ayodhya while they were many and she was one, despite the handicap Tadka fought well, due to her magic she can defeat hanuman easy).
12 - Suparswa
13 - Prince Kumbh (son of kumbhkarn) he did defeat 3 vanars better than Hanutati after all.
13 - Many unknown people as even foot soldiers have wounded Hanuman in fight's.

END.

Bonus - why i choose not to include lanka's Rakshasas is simple;
i'll either save them for a future post or choose to talk about them in the comment section.
And to be fair their are way too many rakshasas that were tougher than hanutati.

Since Hanuman is the most overrated character and warrior of indian mythological epics it is time for me to make a few posts that tell the actual truth about this namard. By the way defending him and insulting me for calling him a namard will not do anything for your life or anyone else's. He clearly was not a good person, and was never called a god or avatar or even amsha of Shiva. You can not compare him to any god at all. He is not immune to criticism, he should be exposed and put in his place.

To be even more fair it also debatable on whether the best vanar warrior/fighter was "Sandhaman" or "Vali" i think both were superior to Sugreev but its hard to compare them together.
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Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Putting an end to the Hanumana topic (3).

Putting hanuman and his chutiya fanclub in it's rightful place is my special hobby. He was gandu yodha of Ramayana, Treta Yug etc. I will prove my claims again.
Mainly comparing other mahabharat warrior's to hanumanji but also talking about his lack of decent durability achievement's.
Basically;
"continuing my journey of exposing hanuman as a namard behenchod randi ka bacha" only the ignorant pajeet community will respect hanuman after reading this one.

Goals are first to prove that anyone with Brahmastra should be labelled above Hanumanji.
And the second goal is to provide a list of Mahabharat Era warriors and characters who could defeat hanutati 😜😜😜
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Post start's.
First things first. Hanuman lacked any type of immunity to weapons like "Brahmastra"
 
Hanuman didnt know it was a brahmastra until later on:
"Fastened with the weapon discharged by the demon, Hanuma became motionless and fell down on the ground. Realizing that he had been bound by a missile presided over by Brahma the Lord of creation that Hanuma failing to keep his swiftness, considered it to be a favour of Brahma the creator done to him."
Analysis: Hanuman was motionless upon contact with that brahmastra, and hanuman couldnt make any moves, for a certain amuont of time he was senseless, then he understood upon an awakening that he failed to move fast and the weapon binding him is brahmastra. He was clueless and ignorant about its power.
Hanuman admitting his weakness of being unable to free himself: "I have no capacity to liberate from the bondage of the missile due to the power of Brahma the father of the world. Thus knowing the bondage, through the missile presided over by Brahma the self-born creator imposed by the enemy, it must be obeyed by me."
It is only the bruised ego of hanuman fantards that makes them believe hanuman was a powerhouse, he was really a bhuzdil and impotent namard wretch of kishkinda.
Again my evidence proves it.
Hanuman's ego was bruished and hurt he was angry at being captured but still couldn't do anything: "Then, Hanuma with a terrific prowess, was enraged (at his capture and his being dragged) and saw Ravana with his red hot eyes. He was surprised by that deed of Indrajit."
Learn the basics.
- hanutati was shocked and surprised at Meghanad's power.
- hanutati did not have any counter to a divine astra or supernatural weapon of mass destruction.
- hanutati lost the swiftness and speed he formerly had, the reason he lost that speed was a result of the brahmastra touching his body.
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Other Mahabharat warriors not named "Arjuna" "Krishna" or "Ashwathama" who exceeded the power of hanumana.
Note;
I will not be providing quotes or links for the achievement's of some characters i will do so for characters like Sahadev, Nakul, Samba, Shikhandi etc as their powers are not as well known by the Mahabharat fanbase on the internet.

1) Jarasandha - he conquered at least 33 kingdoms, and at most 95 kingdom's. Made multiple yadav clans and families run away from Mathura. The eighteen bhoja tribes were afraid of him. Jarasandh even tossed a object upto 99 yojanas away, that means he could toss hanutati from kishkinda all the way to lanka's north tip. Jarasandh was a super human.
2) Abhimanyu - he defeated elite warriors with his mace, sword etc, showing his power in close combat and since hanuman was inferior to lower ranked warrior's (like the foot soldiers of lanka) its obvious that abhimanyu would trash hanumanji in close quarters.
But if Abhimanyu were to go all out then he could one shot Hanuman in a fight as he owned the illusion type astra of the Gandharvas:
[start of Quote] "applied the Gandharva weapon and the illusion consequent to it. 1 Practising ascetic penances, Arjuna had obtained that weapon from the Gandharva Tumvuru and others. With that weapon, Abhimanyu now confounded his foes. Quickly displaying his weapons, he careered in that battle like a circle of fire, and was, O king, seen sometimes as a single individual, sometimes as a hundred, and sometimes as a thousand ones. Confounding his foes by the skill with which his car was guided and by the illusion caused by his weapons, he cut in a hundred pieces, O monarch, the bodies of the kings." [end of Quote]

3) Dhrishtadyumna - brahmastra & Pramohanastra nough said. He can make hanutati fall asleep with the latter and capture him with the former.
https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2020/12/why-dhrishtadyumna-is-superior-to-karna.html - this's the link to the post concerning his powers and feats
Even without weapon's this man is deadly.
"The Pancala prince tore Ashvatthama with his nails."

4) Prince Brihatkshatra of the Kekaya tribe.
He own's brahma's weapon:
"The prince of the Kekayas, seeing it shot by Drona in battle, baffled that Brahma weapon, O monarch, by a Brahma weapon of his own."
5) Shikhandi
[I] Deflected many thousand's of arrows launched at her:
"the highly wrathful son of Drona sent after Sikhandin in that battle many thousands of shafts. But Sikhandin, that foremost of mighty men, with his sharp sword cut that fierce shower of arrows coming towards him"
[II] High firing rate per second;
"Sikhandin, then O monarch, excited with wrath, pierced Somadatta's son with ninety shafts, and caused him, O Bharata, to tremble."
[III] Has varunastra.
"Then the celestials staying in the firmament, and the kings of the earth also, all beheld Salya's weapons baffled by that Varuna weapon of Sikhandin."
6) Samba.
Quote:
"And dispersing by counter illusion that discharge inspired by illusion, Samva showered on his (adversary's) car a thousand arrows!"
Commentary; this proves two thing's (one) that Samva could fire 1,000 arrow's in a short portion of time, (two) that Samva had the ability of counter illusion essentially an answer to magic attack's.
As we know Meghanad shot 10 arrow's and Hanuman fails to put up a fight.
He was considered equal to Krishna as a warrior:
"Charudeshna with his brother Chakradeva, Satyaki, myself, Valadeva the son of Rohini, and my son Samva who is equal unto me in battle."

7) Sahadev.
Sahadev has experience in fighting vanars based on his rajsooya exploit. But leave that aside as that can not be the only point in his favor, i have to bring more than just that. So here's yet another argument for this character's power.

His physicality/attribute's:
"All those tigers among men are heroes of high prowess in war, gifted with the strength of ten thousand elephants, with bodies hard as the thunderbolt."
Logic - the body of Sahadev was as hard as a Vajra (aka indestructible material or adamantine) if hanuman was smacked against it then his fate would be the exact same as when he was defeated by mighty Indra. Also Sahadev having a 10,000 elephant strength in his muscular arm's proves that his power is beyond most Vanars (the clan of hanutati).
Aaand he owns the sword of Brahma as per the chapters in santi parva. Brahma's weapons are Hanuman's obvious weakness. He would be running scared if he had to encounter this warrior.
Quote;
"From Kripa that best of swords has been obtained by thee with thy brothers."
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a165.htm This latest point should clinch the match in his favor.

8) Salva or Pradyumna (reason is because it's hard to know who was the user of Brahmastra in this below quote):
"But cutting into pieces those powerful Daitya weapons shot at him in mid-career by means of his Brahma weapon, Pradyumna discharged winged shafts of other kings."
9) Nakula.
So i have 3 point's concerning this character.
- Celestial weapons he possesses.
- Reaction time and reflexes (basically he's faster than Hanumanji).
- Brahma's Sword.

Quote:
"Then the ruler of the Angas hurled at Nakula eight hundred lances bright as the rays of the Sun. Each of these Nakula cut off into three fragments."
Logic - this tell's me that Nakul showed superior reaction speed as compared to Hanuman. Nakula is able to negate 800 lances that are tossed at him but hanuman fails to dodge or counter when Meghanad shoot's a mere 10 arrows at him.

Nakul's knowledge of divyastras:
"armies thus slaughtered by those two warriors with their mighty celestial shafts,"
"Displaying their celestial weapons on the field of battle, they quickly shrouded each other, each desirous of compassing the destruction of the other."
Sword of Brahmadev.
Its description:
"Possessed of great energy, his name is Asi (sword or scimitar). For the protection of the world and the destruction of the enemies of the gods, I have created him. That being then, abandoning the form he had first assumed, took the shape of a sword of great splendour, highly polished, sharp-edged, risen like the all-destructive Being at the end of the Yuga."
The power of augmentation it provide's:
"Although Rudra was alone and single-handed, yet so quickly did he move on the field of battle with the sword in his arm that the Asuras thought there were a thousand similar Rudras battling with them. Tearing and piercing and afflicting and cutting and lopping off and grinding down, the great god moved with celerity among the thick masses of his foes like forest conflagration amid heaps of dry grass spread around."
Latest users of the sword weapon:
"After Drona it was taken by Kripa. From Kripa that best of swords has been obtained by thee with thy brothers. The constellation under which the sword was born is Krittika. Agni is its deity, and Rohini is its Gotra."
Other properties of this tool:
"The sword has eight names which are not generally known. Listen to me as I mention them to you. If one mentions these, O son of Pandu, one may always win victory. Those names then are Asi, Vaisasana, Khadga, sharp-edged, difficult of acquisition, Sirgarbha, victory, and protector of righteousness. Of all weapons, O son of Madravati, the sword is the foremost. The Puranas truly declare that it was first wielded by Mahadeva."

10) Drona - he has multiple celestial weapons that could knock hanuman out or even k!ll him, it is clear like water who is going to be the winner in a fight between these two. Though it's not needed i will still give 1 quote.
Quote;
"At these words, those foremost of warriors suddenly surrounded Drona's son. The latter slew them all by means of the rudrastra. Having slain Dhrishtadyumna and all those followers of his, he beheld Uttamauja sleeping on his bed."
Logic - since his son had Rudrastra so would this mard Drona, who was considered superior to Ashwathama.

11) Bhagadatta.
For this one well i shouldn't really have to explain this one to the club of unbiased, well informed sher's, mard's, tiger's king's etc. But unfortunately most people remain ignorant on the topic of Bhagdatt's combat skill & weaponry. So i will have to provide a source and a quote on his superiority compared to pawan putra hanutatijee.
Quote 1:
"The king of the Pragjyotishas, then, baffling that arrowy shower of Arjuna, struck both Partha and Krishna, O king, with many shafts and overwhelming both of them with a thick shower of shafts, Bhagadatta then urged his elephant for the destruction of Krishna and Partha."
Quote 2:
"He pierced Devaki's son with many arrows made wholly of black iron, equipped with wings of gold, whetted on stone, and shot from his bow, drawn to the fullest stretch. Those shafts whose touch resembled that of fire, equipped with beautiful feathers, and shot by Bhagadatta, passing through Devaki's son, entered the earth."
Quote 3:
"Bhagadatta, O monarch, became incensed with the son of Pandu. He then hurled some lances at Arjuna's head and uttered a loud shout. In consequence of those lances Arjuna's diadem was displaced. Arjuna, then, having placed his diadem properly, addressed the ruler of the Pragjyotisha."

Apart from this he also had the important weapon "Vaishnavastra":
"Filled then with rage, he with Mantras, turned his hook into the Vaishnava weapon and hurled it at Arjuna's breast."
Bhagdatt could toss these type's of weapons casually. He is much more powerful than the overrated Hanuman.
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12) Kripacharya.
"And covering the entire welkin with his shafts, that mighty warrior of immeasurable soul, the son of Pritha, enveloped Kripa with hundred of shafts. And sorely afflicted by those whetted arrows resembling flames of fire, Kripa waxed wroth and quickly afflicting the high-souled Partha of immeasurable prowess with ten thousand shafts, set up on the field of battle a loud roar."
Logical analysis - first kripa was not even at his full power since he was off the battlefield for years he would be rusty also he was injured by 100 arrows that Arjuna shot, despite these setback's Kripa was able to fire at least 10 THOUSAND arrows back, showing how incredibly skilled he is even without a celestial weapon to back him up. At his physical prime he may have been a bigger force to be reckoned with.
Another achievement.
"Chekitana excited with rage, once more hurled his mace, desirous of slaying Gautama, like Purandara desirous of slaying Vritra. Then Gautama with many thousands of arrows checked that huge mace, endued with the strength of adamant, that was coursing towards him."
Logic - suggest's that Kripa shot more than 2,000 arrows quickly.
Kripa's ability in close quarters without arrows:
"Thereupon Gautama also, throwing away his bow, and taking up a polished sabre, rushed with great speed towards Chekitana. Both of them possessed of great strength, and both armed with excellent sabres, began to strike each other with those sharp-edged weapons of theirs. Then those bulls among men, struck with the force of each other's sabres, fell down on the earth, that (common) element of all creatures. Exhausted by the efforts they had made, the limbs of both were motionless in a swoon."

13) Alamvush - cause he could go invisible, a power this man displayed in his fight with Iravan.
Had more than 1 hundred illusions up his sleeve:
"They fought with each other, displaying their powers of illusion, but without any of them getting any advantage over the other. Each, creating a hundred illusions, stupefied the other."
The level and extent to how he can manipulate his form with magic:
"Becoming fire and ocean, and, once more, Garuda and Takshaka, and once again, a cloud and a tempest, and then thunder and a large mountain, and once again, an elephant and then Rahu and the sun, they thus displayed a hundred different kinds of illusion, solicitous of destroying each other."
Caused the decimation of 430 chariots in a short span of time:
"Piercing Bhima then with five straight shafts, he quickly destroyed in that battle, thirty cars supporting Bhima. And once more destroying four hundred cars of Bhimasena, the Rakshasa pierced Bhimasena himself with winged arrows."

14) Satyaki.
Reasons known to anyone that has read the source material of Mahabharat. This character would trash Hanuman any day of the year.
Satyaki had an achievement where he beat Drona, Suyodhana and six other warrior's combined. He was clearly the top tier underrated king of aryan warrior's. He also defeated Bhishma twice and Karna 9 time's.

15) Yudhisthir - another possessor of the weapon ("brahmastra") he can easily slay Hanuman anyday of the week. If not k!ll Yudhisthir could at the very least capture Hanuman and bestow him as a pet vanar in any kingdom of the aryans.
Quote:
"The son of Pandu then pierced Drona with his steeds, driver, standard, and car, with a thousand arrows."
Logic - yudhishthir could fire more than one thousand, certainly Hanuman will succumb to this super volley.
He had the BRAHMASTRA Quote:
"king Yudhishthira of' great wisdom baffled that weapon of Drona, thus coursing towards him by himself invoking the Brahma weapon."
16) Susharma - ironic that his name is here but ignoring his entire win loss record the man does have at least 2 impressive achievement's in his lifetime/career.

Susharma alone defeated more than sixty thousand highly trained warriors of Matsya:
[quote begin] king Susarman, the lord of the Trigartas having by his energy oppressed and defeated the whole army of the Matsyas, impetuously rushed towards Virata himself endued with great energy. And the two brothers having severally slain Virata's two steeds and his charioteer, as also those soldiers that protected his rear, took him captive alive, when deprived of his car. Then afflicting him sorely, like a lustful man afflicting a defenceless damsel, Susarman placed Virata on his own car, and speedily rushed out of the field. And when the powerful Virata, deprived of his car, was taken captive, the Matsyas, harrassed solely by the Trigartas, began to flee in fear in all directions. [quote end's]
My commentary - Susharma only had his brother as an ally yet he alone defeated the entire army Virat commanded.
Size of the army;
Elephants mounted by trained warriors skilled in fight, followed the king like unto moving hills. And the principal warriors of Matsya who cheerfully followed the king had eight thousand cars, a thousand elephants and sixty thousand horses.
Logic - it was 69,000 people he beat.

Susharma also is a user of the rare weapon "Garudastra":
Susharma, O monarch, beholding his army thus paralysed, quickly invoked the weapon called Sauparna. Thereupon numerous birds began to come down and devour those snakes. The latter again, at the sight of rangers of the sky, began, O king, to fly away. Freed from that foot-tying weapon, the Samsaptaka force, O monarch, looked like the Sun himself giving light unto all creatures, when freed from clouds. Thus liberated, those warriors once more shot their arrows, O sire, and hurled their weapons at Arjuna's car.
17) Bhishma - i have the deepest disdain for him but the man did own Sammohanastra, Guhyakastra and was able to defeat Abhimanyu by using more than a thousand celestial weapon's at once. So he should be placed on the list of people who could kick hanutati's a$$. It is a fact that this individual did defeat another possessor of celestial weapons named "Parshuram"
Celestial weapon 1;
"Then the Kuru chief fixed the Varuna weapon on his bow-string, and with it afflicted the four steeds of king Salya."
Celestial weapon 2;
"Then that first of men, Bhishma, the son of Santanu, fighting for the sake of those damsels, slew with the Aindra weapon the noble steeds of his adversary."
Chapter link - https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01103.htm (so namard hanuman's fanbase does not get to accuse me of lying)

Celestial weapon 3;
"At that time, I hurled at Rama the weapon named Vayavya which Rama neutralised, O Bharata, by the weapon called Guhyaka."
Celestial weapon 4;
"Then I applied, with proper mantras, the weapon called Agneya but the lord Rama neutralised that weapon of mine by one (of his) called Varuna."
18) Karna - had the dart of Indra, access to the snakeboy Ashwasen, and also owned other weapon's like Anjalika, Bhargavastra, most important of all "Brahmastra". Their's no reason why he cant win.

19) Duhsasan - though it is entirely true that he is the weakest among the warriors in this list it is also true he can beat Hanuman with normal arrows. Duhsasan may not have any access to celestial type weaponry but he does have immense power behind his arrows. The arrow shot from Duhsasan's hand was able to knock Bheem out unconcious on day 17.
He held his own against Abhimanyu before getting trashed, also it was from his manhood that the name less individual character who slew Abhimanyu was born. Duhsasan was tough enough to drag the same Draupadi who injured Jayadrath, Keechak etc before she was violated by both of them.
But the main point is that Duhsasan is not a pushover, he had his fair share of combat achievement's.
20) Suyodhan (was already explained in a previous post).

21) Bheem ironically would be able to defeat Hanuman if he choose to fight with arrows and celestial astra's instead of his muscle's.
Quote:
"Aimed the weapon known by the name of Tvashtri. From that weapon were produced thousands of arrows on all sides."
"That weapon, shot in battle by Bhimasena, destroying the effective illusion produced by the Rakshasa, greatly afflicted the Rakshasa himself. Struck in every part of his body by Bhimasena, the Rakshasa, then abandoning Bhimasena, fled towards the division of Drona."
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Anyways i needed to only give proof for Susharma, Duhsasan, Bhagdatt, Alamvush, Nakula, Sahadev, Samva, Pradyumna as they get underrated quite frequently and their powers are not popular or well known among mahabharat fanatic's.
But the weapons that Drona, Bhishma etc have which will help them beat Hanuman easily are already well known.
Hanuman bhakts will really have to burn in the heat of this reality that he is inferior to Yudhisthir, Dhrishtadyumn, Shikandhi and even Sakuni as a fighter.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2021

Putting an end to the Hanumana topic (part 1).

Intro; I always wanted to build a post based around exposing this ignorant, namard, adharmi pajeet Hanuman. I had many chances to do so, i even had a book of quote's from Ramayana, Mahabharat etc ready in early 2020 but i refrained from doing so for reasons known only to myself. I just didnt have as much as interest as i initially thought. But now i am going to set the record straight, i will prove that even Suyodhan ("Duryodhana" from Mahabharata) was a far better warrior, fighter, and human being than shree hanutati (the chirkut of Ramayans katha) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
I will also be discussing the multiple times where Hanumanji was either injured or lost a fight in his pathetic, shameful career as a fictional warrior. This post will be divided into many parts.
If it does get reported/or banned;
This highly unlikely to happen as none of the posts on my blog have been destroyed by internet thugs still if it does happen ill have most of my work copy pasted and saved in secure data file's accesable only to myself that i can choose to upload/post at almost anytime i desire.
Starting the post.
Rather than put everysingle thing in one post i am going to take a different route this time, i will make it a ten part post i will write/type/text 9 more after this so that each post gets views instead of just 1 post.
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Why Duryodhan was superior to Hanuman.
He defeated Sahadeva (on the 18th day):
"Thy son Duryodhana on horse-back proceeded against Sahadeva. Then thy son, O ruler of men, with great speed and care, forcibly struck Sahadeva's head with a lance. Thus assailed by thy son, Sahadeva sat down on the terrace of his car, all his limbs bathed in blood and himself sighing like a snake. Regaining his senses then, O king, Sahadeva, filled with rage"
Main points that should be noted in my humble "opinion" are that - duryodhan was able to do this with a lance, not arrows or long distance type weapon's, this proves the arm strength & muscle power of Suyodhana, he was indeed a better fighter than Hanutati. Though it is true Sahadev fought back after this the main point is that Duryodhan was in a position of power if Suyodhana hadn't stopped attacking his enemy then Sahadev would be dead & not have the chance to rise back up.

NEXT POINT.
Sahadeva defeated Mainda, Dwividha & annexed the entire nation of Vanars (a clan that namard hanuman belonged to or hailed from):
"The long-armed hero having vanquished that monarch marched further to the south. And then he beheld the celebrated caves of Kishkindhya and in that region fought for seven days with the monkey-kings Mainda and Dwivida. Those illustrious kings however, without being tired an the encounter, were gratified with Sahadeva. And joyfully addressing the Kuru prince, they said 'O tiger among the sons of Pandu, go hence, taking with the tribute from us all."

Hanuman admitting that he does not hold a high ranking among the warriors of his race.
Hanuman accepted the fact (his own word!) that Dwividh and Mainda were both better fighter's than him, so he is nothing in a heirarchy:
"These two illustrious sons of Ashvini Kumaras, Mainda and Dvivida are the foremost among the monkeys. In the battle-field, I do not find anyone who can fight against these two monkeys." (HANUTATI ADMITTED THEIR ARE 2 VANARS BETTER THAN HIM!)
"By the pride of those boons, those two heroic monkeys harassed a great army of celestials and thereupon drank up nectar, excited as they were with joy." (ACHIEVEMENT OF THE TWIN-WARRIORS)

Last reasons why Duryodhan is better than Hanuman.
Sugriva said the limit of physical strength in his empire for Vanars is 1,000:
"Some of those vanara-s are with the might of ten elephants, some ten times more, and some with vigour matching that of a thousand elephants."
Why Duryodhan is stronger than many vanars:
[start] "since my son who was struck down possessed the strength of 10,000 elephants. In manhood's prime and possessed of an adamantine frame, he was not capable of being slain by any creature" [end]
Commentary; Suyodhan could best 10 hanuman's in a fist fight.
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Link to the 2nd post:
But at the end of the day it is clear that i provided actual source's and quotes to prove each of my claims that Hanuman was actually a weak warrior in the canon versions of the story.
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