Wednesday, November 15, 2017

Yudhishthira's rule was actually really fair and just, his subjects loved him.

Some Karna fans say that Duryodhana's rule was just and that he was loved by the subjects but this is not true.

No it was not. Duryodhana's rule was a pathetic rule, and he was a horrible economist. The only people who enjoyed his rule were the men of the Brahmana castes. That's why the only people to praise his rule were Brahmanas. Duryodhana himself said that all the kings of the world & India hate the Kuru kingdom and Duryodhana.
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If, indeed, we stand up against them, our defeat is certain, for all the kings of the earth are under Yudhishthira's command. The people of the realm are all annoyed with us, and all our friends also are angry with us. All the kings of the earth are speaking ill of us, and especially all our friends and relatives.
Analysis: So under Duryodhana's reign the Kurus were hated.
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Also if Duryodhana's rule was just, if he was LOVED by the public as these Karna fans continuously state then how come the public always rebuked and censored him whenever the Pandavas left Hastinapore? Karna fans say repeatedly that the citizens of Hastinapore disliked the Pandavas and hated their rule, that is a lie, the citizens actually loved the Pandavas. They wanted the Pandavas as their rulers not the Kauravas.
1st instance (prior to house of lac)
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And some amongst the citizens and the country people, who followed the Pandavas, afflicted beyond measure at beholding the sons of Pandu in such distress, began to say aloud, 'King Dhritarashtra of wicked soul seeth no things with the same eye. The Kuru monarch casteth not his eye on virtue. Neither the sinless Yudhishthira, nor Bhima the foremost of mighty men, nor Dhananjaya the (youngest) son of Kunti, will ever be guilty (of the sin of waging a rebellious war). When these will remain quiet, how shall the illustrious son of Madri do anything? Having inherited the kingdom from their father, Dhritarashtra could not bear them. How is that Bhishma who suffers the exile of the Pandavas to that wretched place, sanctions this act of great injustice? Vichitravirya, the son of Santanu, and the royal sage Pandu of Kuru's race both cherished us of old with fatherly care. But now that Pandu that tiger among men, hath ascended to heaven, Dhritarashtra cannot bear with these princes his children. We who do not sanction this exile shall all go, leaving this excellent town and our own homes, where Yudhishthira will go.'
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01148.htm

Analysis: the citizens were afflicted and unhappy at the departure of Yudhishthira & the Pandava's. They all wanted to leave Hastinapore and go with Yudhishthira as he was a better ruler and person.

2nd instance (when Pandavas left during the partition to Khandavaprastha)
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'Commanded by the illustrious Drupada, the Pandavas, then, O king, and Krishna and Vidura, taking with them Krishna, the daughter of Drupada, and the renowned Kunti, journeyed towards the city called after the elephant, stopping at various places along the way for purposes of pleasure and enjoyment. King Dhritarashtra, hearing that those heroes had neared the capital sent out the Kauravas to receive them. They who were thus sent out were, O Bharata, Vikarna of the great bow, and Chitrasena, and Drona that foremost of warriors, and Kripa of Gautama's line. Surrounded by these, those mighty heroes, their splendour enhanced by that throng slowly entered the city of Hastinapura. The whole city became radiant, as it were, with the gay throng of sight-seers animated by curiosity. Those tigers among men gladdened the hearts of all who beheld them. And the Pandavas, dear unto the hearts of the people, heard, as they proceeded, various exclamations with the citizens, ever desirous of obeying the wishes of those princes, loudly uttered. Some exclaimed, 'Here returns that tiger among men, conversant with all the rules of morality and who always protects us as if we were his nearest relatives.' And elsewhere they said, 'It seems that king Pandu--the beloved of his people--returneth today from the forest, doubtless to do what is agreeable to us.' And there were some that said, 'What good is not done to us today when the heroic sons of Kunti come back to our town? If we have ever given away in charity, if we have ever poured libations of clarified butter on the fire, if we have any ascetic merit, let the Pandavas, by virtue of all those acts stay in our p. 407 town for a hundred years.'

Sourcehttp://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01210.htm

Analysis: This is even more proof and evidence that the citizens loved the Pandavas. They said the Pandavas protect them as if these ordinary citizens are their closest relatives. They said that they wished for the Pandavas to stay in Hastinapore for at-least a hundred years. So clearly the Pandavas were more loved by the citizens than the Kauravas and Karna ever were.

3rd instance (after the Pandavas left Hastinapore for their exile)
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And the citizens learning of their departure became overwhelmed with sorrow, and began to censure Bhishma and Vidura and Drona and Gautama. And having met together they thus addressed one another fearlessly.
'Alas, our families, we ourselves, and our homes are all gone, when the wicked Duryodhana, backed by the son of Suvala, by Karna and Dussasana, aspireth to this kingdom. And, Oh, our families, our (ancestral) usages, our virtue and prosperity, are all doomed where this sinful wretch supported by wretches as sinful aspireth to the kingdom! And, Oh, how
can happiness be there where these are not! Duryodhana beareth malice towards all superiors, hath taken leave of good conduct, and quarreleth with those that are near to him in blood. Covetous and vain and mean, he is cruel by nature. The whole earth is doomed when Duryodhana becometh its ruler. Thither, therefore, let us proceed whither the merciful and high-minded sons of Pandu with passions under control and victorious over foes, and possessed of modesty and renown, and devoted to pious practices, repair!'
"Vaisampayana said, 'And saying this, the citizens went after the Pandavas, and having met them, they all, with joined hands, thus addressed the sons of Kunti and Madri.
'Blest be ye! Where will ye go, leaving us in grief? We will follow you whithersoever ye will go! Surely have we been distressed upon learning that ye have been deceitfully vanquished by relentless enemies! It behoveth you not to forsake us that are your loving subjects and devoted friends always seeking your welfare and employed in doing what is agreeable to you! We desire not to be overwhelmed in certain destruction living in the dominions of the Kuru king. Ye bulls among men, listen as we indicate the merits and demerits springing respectively from association with what is good and bad! As cloth, water, the ground, and sesame seeds are perfumed by association with flowers, even so are qualities ever the product of association. Verily association with fools produceth an illusion that entangleth the mind, as daily communion with the good and the wise leadeth to the practice of virtue. Therefore, they that desire emancipation should associate with those that are wise and old and honest and pure in conduct and possessed of ascetic merit. They should be waited upon whose triple possessions, viz., knowledge (of the Vedas), origin and acts, are all pure, and association with them is even superior to (the study of the) scriptures. Devoid of the religious acts as we are, we shall yet reap religious merit by association with the righteous, as we should come by sin by waiting upon the sinful. The very sight and touch of the dishonest, and converse and association with them; cause diminution of virtue, and men (that are doomed to these), never attain purity of mind. Association with the base impaireth the understanding, as, indeed, with the indifferent maketh it indifferent, while communion with the good ever exalteth it. All those attributes which are spoken of in the world as the sources of religious merit, of worldly prosperity and sensual pleasures, which are regarded by the people, extolled in the Vedas, and approved by the well-behaved, exist in you, separately and jointly! Therefore, desirous of our own welfare, we wish to live amongst you who possess those attributes!
"Yudhishthira said, 'Blessed are we since the people with the Brahmanas at their head, moved by affection and compassion credit us
with merits we have not. I, however, with my brothers, would ask all of you to do one thing. Ye should not, through affection and pity for us, act otherwise! Our grandfather Bhishma, the king (Dhritarashtra), Vidura, my mother and most of my well-wishers, are all in the city of Hastinapura. Therefore, if ye are minded to seek our welfare, cherish ye them with care, uniting together as they are overwhelmed with sorrow and afflictions. Grieved at our departure, ye have come far! Go ye back, and let your hearts be directed with tenderness towards the relatives I entrust to you as pledges! This, of all others, is the one act upon which my heart is set, and by doing this ye would give me great satisfaction and pay me your best regards!
"Vaisampayana continued, 'Thus exhorted by Yudhishthira the just, the people in a body set up a loud wail exclaiming,--Alas, O king! And afflicted and overwhelmed with sorrow on remembering the virtues of Pritha's son, they unwillingly retraced their steps asking leave of the Pandavas.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03001.htm
Conclusion: We can only conclude this fact, that the subjects were not happy with Duryodhana's rule and that they all loved the Pandavas much more than they ever loved Duryodhana. I'm pretty sure that even a child could find out this fact if they actually payed attention to the Mahabharata and read the books. The people of Hastinapore liked Yudhishthira & his Pandava brothers, they hated Duryodhana & his Kaurava brothers. Sad unfortunate truth and reality for the fans of Karna and the Kurus but it is the truth so deal with it.
All people of Hastinapore loved Yudhishthira.

Tuesday, November 7, 2017

The truth about the Karna vs Arjuna fight at Draupadi Swayamvara.


I have to bring back intelligence into the Mahabharata community. Their are a lot of idiotic Karna fans out their who keep spreading wrong information about the fight between Karna & Arjuna during Draupadi Swayamvara. They say that Arjuna lied that he was a Brahmana, they don't even know that Karna lied to Parshuram for training. That doesn't mean that Karna was defeated by Parshuram. Even Krishna believed that it was okay to tell lies. I will be setting the record straight for this incident of Draupadi Swayamvara, where Karna was most clearly defeated. I will prove his defeat with sources, links, quotes, screenshots, analysis etc.
  1. This fight was clearly a defeat for Karna.
    1. Vaisampayana called this fight a defeat of Karna.
      1. Screenshot -
      2. Link - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01003.htm
        1. So to all those fools who are trying to say that Karna defeated Arjuna & spared his life at Draupadi Swayamvara just shut the fuck up. The student of Ved Vyasa disagrees with you, Vaisampayana himself just said that Arjuna defeated Karna.
      3. Kama is used for Karna.
        1. Screenshot - Karna is the one to get so much importance as to have his name be mentioned with Bhishma and Drona all the time.
        2. Link - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03250.htm
  2. Pathetic excuses for Karna's defeat.
    1. Karna did not have his Vijaya bow
      1. Refute - Arjuna defeated Karna when the latter had the same Vijaya bow during the kurukshetra war. Vijaya bow could not save Karna.
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      2. Arjuna did not have his Gandiva bow either.
  3. Misconception about Karna being mild on Arjuna over here as he was disguised in the form of a Brahmana.
    1. Right before the fight started all monarchs including Karna accepted that it was okay to kill the brahmins. [Note: Jishnu was another name of Arjuna]
      1. Then those monarchs eager for the fight fiercely exclaimed, 'The slaughter in battle of one desiring to fight is permitted.' And saying this, the monarchs suddenly rushed against the Brahmanas. And Karna endued with great energy rushed against Jishnu for fight.
    2. Drishtadyumna says that Brahmana's can be killed
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        1. Thou shalt not escape from me with life. That, Brahmana who, abandoning the practices of a Brahmana, devoteth himself to the practices of a Kshatriya, becomes slayable by all Kshatriyas even as thou, p. 369 [paragraph continues] O lowest of men.' 
      2. Source - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07156.htm
    3. Even Bhishma also claimed that you are allowed to kill a Brahmana in battle 
      1. Screenshot
      2. Link to the source - http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05181.htm
  4. Description of the fight.
    1. Arjuna knocks out Karna.
      1. Quote

      2. And Karna endued with great energy rushed against Jishnu for fight. And Salya the mighty king of Madra rushed against Bhima like an elephant rushing against another for the sake of a she-elephant in heat; while Duryodhana and others engaged with the Brahmanas, skirmished with them lightly and carelessly. Then the illustrious Arjuna beholding Karna, the son of Vikartana (Surya), advancing towards him, drew his tough bow and pieced him with his sharp arrows. And the impetus of those whetted arrows furnished with fierce energy made Radheya (Karna) faint.
    2. Karna recovers and attacks with greater care.
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        1. Recovering consciousness Karna attacked Arjuna with greater care than before. Then Karna and Arjuna, both foremost of victorious warriors, desirous of vanquishing each other, fought madly on. And such was the lightness of hand they both displayed that (each enveloped by the other's shower of arrows) they both became invisible (unto the spectators of their encounter). 'Behold the strength of my arms.'--'Mark, how I have counteracted that feat,'--those were the words--intelligible to p. 379 heroes alone--in which they addressed each other. And incensed at finding the strength and energy of Arjuna's arms unequalled on the earth, Karna, the son of Surya, fought with greater vigour. And parrying all those impetuous arrows shot at him by Arjuna, Karna sent up a loud shout. And this feat of his was applauded by all the warriors
    3. Arjuna threatens to use Paurandara-astra & Karna retreats running away as usual.
      1. Quote
        1. Then addressing his antagonist, Karna said, 'O thou foremost of Brahmanas, I am gratified to observe the energy of thy arms that knoweth no relaxation in battle and thy weapons themselves fit for achieving victory. Art thou the embodiment of the science of weapons, or art thou Rama that best of Brahmanas, or Indra himself, or Indra's younger brother Vishnu called also Achyuta, who for disguising himself hath assumed the form of a Brahmana and mustering such energy of arms fighteth with me? No other person except the husband himself of Sachi or Kiriti, the son of Pandu, is capable of fighting with me when I am angry on the field of battle.' Then hearing those words of his, Phalguna replied, saying, 'O Karna, I am neither the science of arms (personified), nor Rama endued with superhuman powers. I am only a Brahmana who is the foremost of all warriors and all wielders of weapons. By the grace of my preceptor I have become accomplished in the Brahma and the Paurandara weapons. I am here to vanquish thee in battle. Therefore, O hero, wait a little.' "Vaisampayana continued, 'Thus addressed (by Arjuna), Karna the adopted son of Radha desisted from the fight, for that mighty chariot-fighter thought that Brahma energy is ever invincible.
    4. Source - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01193.htm
  5. Analysis
    1. Overall Arjuna remains the ultimate victor in this fight.
      1. Arjuna knocked Karna out but Karna could never do this to Arjuna over here. Karna lost his senses during this fight but Arjuna never lost senses.
      2. Arjuna had no special celestial equipment but Karna had the coat of mail from Surya.
      3. Karna was unable to gain any advantage over Arjuna, all Karna could do was just dodge a few arrows that Arjuna shot at him. That is not a victory.
      4. This fight was termed as a defeat for Karna. Vaisampayana the student of Vyasa (grandfather of Karna's best friend Duryodhana) accepted that Karna lost here.