Mainly comparing other mahabharat warrior's to hanumanji but also talking about his lack of decent durability achievement's.
Link to previous post - https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2021/11/putting-end-to-hanumana-topic-part-2.html
Basically;
"continuing my journey of exposing hanuman as a namard behenchod randi ka bacha" only the ignorant pajeet community will respect hanuman after reading this one.
Goals are first to prove that anyone with Brahmastra should be labelled above Hanumanji.
And the second goal is to provide a list of Mahabharat Era warriors and characters who could defeat hanutati 😜😜😜
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Post start's.
First things first. Hanuman lacked any type of immunity to weapons like "Brahmastra"
Hanuman didnt know it was a brahmastra until later on:
"Fastened with the weapon discharged by the demon, Hanuma became motionless and fell down on the ground. Realizing that he had been bound by a missile presided over by Brahma the Lord of creation that Hanuma failing to keep his swiftness, considered it to be a favour of Brahma the creator done to him."
Analysis: Hanuman was motionless upon contact with that brahmastra, and hanuman couldnt make any moves, for a certain amuont of time he was senseless, then he understood upon an awakening that he failed to move fast and the weapon binding him is brahmastra. He was clueless and ignorant about its power.
Hanuman admitting his weakness of being unable to free himself: "I have no capacity to liberate from the bondage of the missile due to the power of Brahma the father of the world. Thus knowing the bondage, through the missile presided over by Brahma the self-born creator imposed by the enemy, it must be obeyed by me."
It is only the bruised ego of hanuman fantards that makes them believe hanuman was a powerhouse, he was really a bhuzdil and impotent namard wretch of kishkinda.
Again my evidence proves it.
Hanuman's ego was bruished and hurt he was angry at being captured but still couldn't do anything: "Then, Hanuma with a terrific prowess, was enraged (at his capture and his being dragged) and saw Ravana with his red hot eyes. He was surprised by that deed of Indrajit."
Learn the basics.
- hanutati was shocked and surprised at Meghanad's power.
- hanutati did not have any counter to a divine astra or supernatural weapon of mass destruction.
- hanutati lost the swiftness and speed he formerly had, the reason he lost that speed was a result of the brahmastra touching his body.
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Other Mahabharat warriors not named "Arjuna" "Krishna" or "Ashwathama" who exceeded the power of hanumana.
Note;
I will not be providing quotes or links for the achievement's of some characters i will do so for characters like Sahadev, Nakul, Samba, Shikhandi etc as their powers are not as well known by the Mahabharat fanbase on the internet.
1) Jarasandha - he conquered at least 33 kingdoms, and at most 95 kingdom's. Made multiple yadav clans and families run away from Mathura. The eighteen bhoja tribes were afraid of him. Jarasandh even tossed a object upto 99 yojanas away, that means he could toss hanutati from kishkinda all the way to lanka's north tip. Jarasandh was a super human.
2) Abhimanyu - he defeated elite warriors with his mace, sword etc, showing his power in close combat and since hanuman was inferior to lower ranked warrior's (like the foot soldiers of lanka) its obvious that abhimanyu would trash hanumanji in close quarters.
But if Abhimanyu were to go all out then he could one shot Hanuman in a fight as he owned the illusion type astra of the Gandharvas:
[start of Quote] "applied the Gandharva weapon and the illusion consequent to it. 1 Practising ascetic penances, Arjuna had obtained that weapon from the Gandharva Tumvuru and others. With that weapon, Abhimanyu now confounded his foes. Quickly displaying his weapons, he careered in that battle like a circle of fire, and was, O king, seen sometimes as a single individual, sometimes as a hundred, and sometimes as a thousand ones. Confounding his foes by the skill with which his car was guided and by the illusion caused by his weapons, he cut in a hundred pieces, O monarch, the bodies of the kings." [end of Quote]
3) Dhrishtadyumna - brahmastra & Pramohanastra nough said. He can make hanutati fall asleep with the latter and capture him with the former.
https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2020/12/why-dhrishtadyumna-is-superior-to-karna.html - this's the link to the post concerning his powers and feats
Even without weapon's this man is deadly.
"The Pancala prince tore Ashvatthama with his nails."
4) Prince Brihatkshatra of the Kekaya tribe.
He own's brahma's weapon:
"The prince of the Kekayas, seeing it shot by Drona in battle, baffled that Brahma weapon, O monarch, by a Brahma weapon of his own."
5) Shikhandi
[I] Deflected many thousand's of arrows launched at her:
"the highly wrathful son of Drona sent after Sikhandin in that battle many thousands of shafts. But Sikhandin, that foremost of mighty men, with his sharp sword cut that fierce shower of arrows coming towards him"
[II] High firing rate per second;
"Sikhandin, then O monarch, excited with wrath, pierced Somadatta's son with ninety shafts, and caused him, O Bharata, to tremble."
[III] Has varunastra.
"Then the celestials staying in the firmament, and the kings of the earth also, all beheld Salya's weapons baffled by that Varuna weapon of Sikhandin."
6) Samba.
Quote:
"And dispersing by counter illusion that discharge inspired by illusion, Samva showered on his (adversary's) car a thousand arrows!"
Commentary; this proves two thing's (one) that Samva could fire 1,000 arrow's in a short portion of time, (two) that Samva had the ability of counter illusion essentially an answer to magic attack's.
As we know Meghanad shot 10 arrow's and Hanuman fails to put up a fight.
He was considered equal to Krishna as a warrior:
"Charudeshna with his brother Chakradeva, Satyaki, myself, Valadeva the son of Rohini, and my son Samva who is equal unto me in battle."
7) Sahadev.
Sahadev has experience in fighting vanars based on his rajsooya exploit. But leave that aside as that can not be the only point in his favor, i have to bring more than just that. So here's yet another argument for this character's power.
His physicality/attribute's:
"All those tigers among men are heroes of high prowess in war, gifted with the strength of ten thousand elephants, with bodies hard as the thunderbolt."
Logic - the body of Sahadev was as hard as a Vajra (aka indestructible material or adamantine) if hanuman was smacked against it then his fate would be the exact same as when he was defeated by mighty Indra. Also Sahadev having a 10,000 elephant strength in his muscular arm's proves that his power is beyond most Vanars (the clan of hanutati).
Aaand he owns the sword of Brahma as per the chapters in santi parva. Brahma's weapons are Hanuman's obvious weakness. He would be running scared if he had to encounter this warrior.
Quote;
"From Kripa that best of swords has been obtained by thee with thy brothers."
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a165.htm This latest point should clinch the match in his favor.
8) Salva or Pradyumna (reason is because it's hard to know who was the user of Brahmastra in this below quote):
"But cutting into pieces those powerful Daitya weapons shot at him in mid-career by means of his Brahma weapon, Pradyumna discharged winged shafts of other kings."
9) Nakula.
So i have 3 point's concerning this character.
- Celestial weapons he possesses.
- Reaction time and reflexes (basically he's faster than Hanumanji).
- Brahma's Sword.
Quote:
"Then the ruler of the Angas hurled at Nakula eight hundred lances bright as the rays of the Sun. Each of these Nakula cut off into three fragments."
Logic - this tell's me that Nakul showed superior reaction speed as compared to Hanuman. Nakula is able to negate 800 lances that are tossed at him but hanuman fails to dodge or counter when Meghanad shoot's a mere 10 arrows at him.
Nakul's knowledge of divyastras:
"armies thus slaughtered by those two warriors with their mighty celestial shafts,"
"Displaying their celestial weapons on the field of battle, they quickly shrouded each other, each desirous of compassing the destruction of the other."
Sword of Brahmadev.
Its description:
"Possessed of great energy, his name is Asi (sword or scimitar). For the protection of the world and the destruction of the enemies of the gods, I have created him. That being then, abandoning the form he had first assumed, took the shape of a sword of great splendour, highly polished, sharp-edged, risen like the all-destructive Being at the end of the Yuga."
The power of augmentation it provide's:
"Although Rudra was alone and single-handed, yet so quickly did he move on the field of battle with the sword in his arm that the Asuras thought there were a thousand similar Rudras battling with them. Tearing and piercing and afflicting and cutting and lopping off and grinding down, the great god moved with celerity among the thick masses of his foes like forest conflagration amid heaps of dry grass spread around."
Latest users of the sword weapon:
"After Drona it was taken by Kripa. From Kripa that best of swords has been obtained by thee with thy brothers. The constellation under which the sword was born is Krittika. Agni is its deity, and Rohini is its Gotra."
"The sword has eight names which are not generally known. Listen to me as I mention them to you. If one mentions these, O son of Pandu, one may always win victory. Those names then are Asi, Vaisasana, Khadga, sharp-edged, difficult of acquisition, Sirgarbha, victory, and protector of righteousness. Of all weapons, O son of Madravati, the sword is the foremost. The Puranas truly declare that it was first wielded by Mahadeva."
10) Drona - he has multiple celestial weapons that could knock hanuman out or even k!ll him, it is clear like water who is going to be the winner in a fight between these two. Though it's not needed i will still give 1 quote.
Quote;
"At these words, those foremost of warriors suddenly surrounded Drona's son. The latter slew them all by means of the rudrastra. Having slain Dhrishtadyumna and all those followers of his, he beheld Uttamauja sleeping on his bed."
Logic - since his son had Rudrastra so would this mard Drona, who was considered superior to Ashwathama.
11) Bhagadatta.
For this one well i shouldn't really have to explain this one to the club of unbiased, well informed sher's, mard's, tiger's king's etc. But unfortunately most people remain ignorant on the topic of Bhagdatt's combat skill & weaponry. So i will have to provide a source and a quote on his superiority compared to pawan putra hanutatijee.
Quote 1:
"The king of the Pragjyotishas, then, baffling that arrowy shower of Arjuna, struck both Partha and Krishna, O king, with many shafts and overwhelming both of them with a thick shower of shafts, Bhagadatta then urged his elephant for the destruction of Krishna and Partha."
Quote 2:
"He pierced Devaki's son with many arrows made wholly of black iron, equipped with wings of gold, whetted on stone, and shot from his bow, drawn to the fullest stretch. Those shafts whose touch resembled that of fire, equipped with beautiful feathers, and shot by Bhagadatta, passing through Devaki's son, entered the earth."
Quote 3:
"Bhagadatta, O monarch, became incensed with the son of Pandu. He then hurled some lances at Arjuna's head and uttered a loud shout. In consequence of those lances Arjuna's diadem was displaced. Arjuna, then, having placed his diadem properly, addressed the ruler of the Pragjyotisha."
Apart from this he also had the important weapon "Vaishnavastra":
"Filled then with rage, he with Mantras, turned his hook into the Vaishnava weapon and hurled it at Arjuna's breast."
Bhagdatt could toss these type's of weapons casually. He is much more powerful than the overrated Hanuman.
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12) Kripacharya.
"And covering the entire welkin with his shafts, that mighty warrior of immeasurable soul, the son of Pritha, enveloped Kripa with hundred of shafts. And sorely afflicted by those whetted arrows resembling flames of fire, Kripa waxed wroth and quickly afflicting the high-souled Partha of immeasurable prowess with ten thousand shafts, set up on the field of battle a loud roar."
Logical analysis - first kripa was not even at his full power since he was off the battlefield for years he would be rusty also he was injured by 100 arrows that Arjuna shot, despite these setback's Kripa was able to fire at least 10 THOUSAND arrows back, showing how incredibly skilled he is even without a celestial weapon to back him up. At his physical prime he may have been a bigger force to be reckoned with.
Another achievement.
"Chekitana excited with rage, once more hurled his mace, desirous of slaying Gautama, like Purandara desirous of slaying Vritra. Then Gautama with many thousands of arrows checked that huge mace, endued with the strength of adamant, that was coursing towards him."
Logic - suggest's that Kripa shot more than 2,000 arrows quickly.
Kripa's ability in close quarters without arrows:
"Thereupon Gautama also, throwing away his bow, and taking up a polished sabre, rushed with great speed towards Chekitana. Both of them possessed of great strength, and both armed with excellent sabres, began to strike each other with those sharp-edged weapons of theirs. Then those bulls among men, struck with the force of each other's sabres, fell down on the earth, that (common) element of all creatures. Exhausted by the efforts they had made, the limbs of both were motionless in a swoon."
13) Alamvush - cause he could go invisible, a power this man displayed in his fight with Iravan.
Had more than 1 hundred illusions up his sleeve:
"They fought with each other, displaying their powers of illusion, but without any of them getting any advantage over the other. Each, creating a hundred illusions, stupefied the other."
The level and extent to how he can manipulate his form with magic:
"Becoming fire and ocean, and, once more, Garuda and Takshaka, and once again, a cloud and a tempest, and then thunder and a large mountain, and once again, an elephant and then Rahu and the sun, they thus displayed a hundred different kinds of illusion, solicitous of destroying each other."
"Piercing Bhima then with five straight shafts, he quickly destroyed in that battle, thirty cars supporting Bhima. And once more destroying four hundred cars of Bhimasena, the Rakshasa pierced Bhimasena himself with winged arrows."
14) Satyaki.
Reasons known to anyone that has read the source material of Mahabharat. This character would trash Hanuman any day of the year.
Satyaki had an achievement where he beat Drona, Suyodhana and six other warrior's combined. He was clearly the top tier underrated king of aryan warrior's. He also defeated Bhishma twice and Karna 9 time's.
15) Yudhisthir - another possessor of the weapon ("brahmastra") he can easily slay Hanuman anyday of the week. If not k!ll Yudhisthir could at the very least capture Hanuman and bestow him as a pet vanar in any kingdom of the aryans.
Quote:
"The son of Pandu then pierced Drona with his steeds, driver, standard, and car, with a thousand arrows."
Logic - yudhishthir could fire more than one thousand, certainly Hanuman will succumb to this super volley.
He had the BRAHMASTRA Quote:
"king Yudhishthira of' great wisdom baffled that weapon of Drona, thus coursing towards him by himself invoking the Brahma weapon."
16) Susharma - ironic that his name is here but ignoring his entire win loss record the man does have at least 2 impressive achievement's in his lifetime/career.
Susharma alone defeated more than sixty thousand highly trained warriors of Matsya:
[quote begin] king Susarman, the lord of the Trigartas having by his energy oppressed and defeated the whole army of the Matsyas, impetuously rushed towards Virata himself endued with great energy. And the two brothers having severally slain Virata's two steeds and his charioteer, as also those soldiers that protected his rear, took him captive alive, when deprived of his car. Then afflicting him sorely, like a lustful man afflicting a defenceless damsel, Susarman placed Virata on his own car, and speedily rushed out of the field. And when the powerful Virata, deprived of his car, was taken captive, the Matsyas, harrassed solely by the Trigartas, began to flee in fear in all directions. [quote end's]
My commentary - Susharma only had his brother as an ally yet he alone defeated the entire army Virat commanded.
Size of the army;
Elephants mounted by trained warriors skilled in fight, followed the king like unto moving hills. And the principal warriors of Matsya who cheerfully followed the king had eight thousand cars, a thousand elephants and sixty thousand horses.
Logic - it was 69,000 people he beat.
Susharma also is a user of the rare weapon "Garudastra":
Susharma, O monarch, beholding his army thus paralysed, quickly invoked the weapon called Sauparna. Thereupon numerous birds began to come down and devour those snakes. The latter again, at the sight of rangers of the sky, began, O king, to fly away. Freed from that foot-tying weapon, the Samsaptaka force, O monarch, looked like the Sun himself giving light unto all creatures, when freed from clouds. Thus liberated, those warriors once more shot their arrows, O sire, and hurled their weapons at Arjuna's car.
17) Bhishma - i have the deepest disdain for him but the man did own Sammohanastra, Guhyakastra and was able to defeat Abhimanyu by using more than a thousand celestial weapon's at once. So he should be placed on the list of people who could kick hanutati's a$$. It is a fact that this individual did defeat another possessor of celestial weapons named "Parshuram"
Celestial weapon 1;
"Then the Kuru chief fixed the Varuna weapon on his bow-string, and with it afflicted the four steeds of king Salya."
Celestial weapon 2;
"Then that first of men, Bhishma, the son of Santanu, fighting for the sake of those damsels, slew with the Aindra weapon the noble steeds of his adversary."
Chapter link - https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01103.htm (so namard hanuman's fanbase does not get to accuse me of lying)
Celestial weapon 3;
"At that time, I hurled at Rama the weapon named Vayavya which Rama neutralised, O Bharata, by the weapon called Guhyaka."
Celestial weapon 4;
"Then I applied, with proper mantras, the weapon called Agneya but the lord Rama neutralised that weapon of mine by one (of his) called Varuna."
18) Karna - had the dart of Indra, access to the snakeboy Ashwasen, and also owned other weapon's like Anjalika, Bhargavastra, most important of all "Brahmastra". Their's no reason why he cant win.
19) Duhsasan - though it is entirely true that he is the weakest among the warriors in this list it is also true he can beat Hanuman with normal arrows. Duhsasan may not have any access to celestial type weaponry but he does have immense power behind his arrows. The arrow shot from Duhsasan's hand was able to knock Bheem out unconcious on day 17.
He held his own against Abhimanyu before getting trashed, also it was from his manhood that the name less individual character who slew Abhimanyu was born. Duhsasan was tough enough to drag the same Draupadi who injured Jayadrath, Keechak etc before she was violated by both of them.
But the main point is that Duhsasan is not a pushover, he had his fair share of combat achievement's.
20) Suyodhan (was already explained in a previous post).
21) Bheem ironically would be able to defeat Hanuman if he choose to fight with arrows and celestial astra's instead of his muscle's.
Quote:
"Aimed the weapon known by the name of Tvashtri. From that weapon were produced thousands of arrows on all sides."
"That weapon, shot in battle by Bhimasena, destroying the effective illusion produced by the Rakshasa, greatly afflicted the Rakshasa himself. Struck in every part of his body by Bhimasena, the Rakshasa, then abandoning Bhimasena, fled towards the division of Drona."
Anyways i needed to only give proof for Susharma, Duhsasan, Bhagdatt, Alamvush, Nakula, Sahadev, Samva, Pradyumna as they get underrated quite frequently and their powers are not popular or well known among mahabharat fanatic's.
But the weapons that Drona, Bhishma etc have which will help them beat Hanuman easily are already well known.
Hanuman bhakts will really have to burn in the heat of this reality that he is inferior to Yudhisthir, Dhrishtadyumn, Shikandhi and even Sakuni as a fighter.
