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Note: This's based only on KMG, i will make another post in the future with screenshot's of BORI Critical Edition. But it will not be coming anytime soon, its release date will be postponed as i have other goals.
Volume B will be about Bori, volume C will concern how day 17 went for both warrior's so day 17 will be excluded from volume B as its only meant for volume C, but part of it (17th day) will be mentioned in this post.
Intro - it is no secret that karna fans & even some arjuna fans have underrated/degraded the warrior Satyaki and many ignore the incident's where Satyaki defeated karna fairly. People act like just cause tv serials did not show him that means Satyaki doesn't matter.
Those same people forget Satyaki was present in "bharat ek khoj" (1988), "chopra mahabharat" (1988), Sagar's Shri Krishna (1993), Sahara One TV's Draupadi (2001) & "Jai Mahabharat" (2002). So it's not like he was never shown in any serial. He just did not get explored or done justice in those shows as they didnt show anything important regarding him.
Tv serials ignore most of krishna's wives, they only show rukmini/satyabhama not jambavati, haimavati, satya, saivya or nagnajiti or charuhasini/mitravinda etc. Serial do not show most of krishna's sons either. NO karna fan says those characters are useless cause 'tv serial's ignore their existence'
Anyways i will try not to use gaalis (cuss word's/abusive language) here, we are all fans of mahabharat regardless so best to explain opinions in a clear concentrated manner.
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11th day.
It is entirely possible both men did fight eachother this day, but due to Dhritrashtra's questions & Sanjaya's neglect this duel wasn't narrated so what happened remains a mystery. But for this i will give a quote which prove both characters at least approached each other, or looked at eachother noticing one anothers presence on the battlefield.
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Bhima and Karna and Kripa and Drona and Drona's son and Prishata's son and Satyaki, the field of battle looked resplendent like the all-destructive sun that rises at the end of the Yuga. The battle that took place between those mighty men engaged with mighty antagonists and all smiting one another was fierce in the extreme, resembling that between the Danavas and the gods.
Then Yudhishthira's host, uttering a shout, loud as that of the surging sea, began to slaughter thy troops, the great car-warriors of thy army having fled away. Beholding the (Kaurava) host broken and excessively mangled by the foe, Drona said "Ye heroes, ye need not fly away." Then he (Drona) owning red steeds, excited with wrath and resembling a (fierce) elephant with four tusks, penetrated into the Pandava host and rushed against Yudhishthira.
Logic - after this line Satyaki got mentioned as being one who drona injured that day. However the credit for making "the great car warrior's of the kuru army retreat" should be given to Yudisther as he led a division which compelled the other warriors to run.
It's hard to believe yudisther defeated karna but before yudisther's interference the duel of satyaki and karna was a deadlock (impasse). Still in the 1st paragraph it was basically 3 pandava warrior's (bheem, dresthadyuma, satyaki) against 4 warrior's (ashwathama, kripa, drona, karna) so the side of satyaki was outnumbered & showed no signs of losing despite the odds being uneven.
Possible cross reference for Yudisther's win.
[Quote]
"When I heard that Yudhishthira, the Just, overcame the heroic son of Drona, Duhsasana, and the fierce Kritavarman, then, O Sanjaya, I had no hope of success."
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Maybe what happened is just that karna went to prevent any pandava warrior from helping yudisther so he got out of the way/fight so Drona would be the one who gets credit of capturing yudisther.
Or maybe karna ignored yudisther and opted to duel satyaki/bheem instead, its also possible that prishata's son here was droopad not dresthadyumn. Still this battle can be considered as 0 to zero for both warrior's.
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12th day.
Quote;
"Sini's grandson also taking up another bow pierced Suta's son with four and sixty shafts and roared like a lion. And cutting off Karna's bow with a couple of well-shot shafts, he once more pierced Karna on the arms and the chest with three arrows. The king Duryodhana, Drona & Jayadratha rescued Karna from the Satyaki-ocean, as the former was about to sink into it."
Reasons; Satyaki had only 3 supporters (Arjun, Bhima, Dhristadyumn) Karna had 20 supporters (3 sons of Adhirath, 2 kings that Dristadyumn slayed, 15 people that Bhima slayed). It was Satyaki who won despite being outnumbered. He tore Karna's bow, weapons, injured him over 60 times, so much even Drona had to come in with king Jaydrath to save the life of suryaputr karna.
Karna losing at day 12 had similarities to a incident where he defeated Dristhadyumna.
Quote:
"The five sons of Draupadi then, with other well-equipped cars, rescued those maternal uncles of theirs that were sinking in the Karna ocean, like persons rescuing from the depths of the ocean ship-wrecked merchants in the sea by means of other vessels."
Logic: Notice the word "ocean" as the karna ocean of day 17 was akin to the satyaki ocean of day 12.
14th day.
This is where it get's sort of tricky and confusing because we do not know if satyaki faced karna before jayadratha died or in the battle after jayadraths death (i am not referring to the night battle because the sun did not set even after jayadratha died the battle continued on).
But i will try tackling this topic.
Proof of the possibility of them fighting against one another before the murder of Bhurishrawas.
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"Unvanquished by Drona & Radha's son & Vikarna & Kritavarman, how could the heroic Satyaki, never before checked in battle, having after his promise to Yudhishthira crossed the ocean of the Kaurava troops, being humiliated by the Kuru warrior Bhurisravas and forcibly thrown on the ground?"
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Logic - what was karna doing before the 125th section/chapter? Apart from his involvement in group attacks (against arjuna) their was nothing mentioned about karna's involvement in the war itself.
So before the fight against Bheem started it is likely that karna tried fighting Satyaki and was beaten back. The statement of Dhritrashtra is not a reference to a satyaki vs karna duel on day eleven/twelve by the way mainly because Drona defeated satyaki on days 12 and 11 so clearly he meant incidents of day fourteen only not previous day's.
Lastly since theirs never a mention of karna's foster brothers (biological sons of Radha) fighting Satyaki this quote can't be misrepresented as another son of Radha fighting Satyaki, so clearly it is Karna.
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DAY 14 (Part A).
Satyaki speaks to yudisther.
Quote;
"Those car-warriors numbering thousands that thou seest, are all of royal lineage and are all Maharathas. They are called Rukmarathas. They are accomplished in weapons and battling from cars, as also in fighting from the backs of elephants."
"Thorough masters of the science of weapons, they are accomplished in fighting with their fists. Skilled in battling with maces, masters also of the art of close fight, they are equally clever in striking with scimitars and in falling upon the foe with sword and shield. They are brave & learned & animated by a spirit of rivalry. Every day they vanquish a vast number of men in battle."
"They are commanded by Karna and devoted to Duhsasana. Even Vasudeva applauds them as great car-warriors. Always solicitous of Karna's welfare, they are obedient to him. It is at Karna's command that returning from their pursuit of Arjuna and, therefore, unfatigued and unworn, those brave warriors, cased in impenetrable armour and armed with strong bows, are certainly waiting for me, ordered by Duryodhana also."
Logic; if satyaki defeated the Rukmarathas then logically karna would have confronted him, came face to face or gotten into a duel with satyaki.
Satyaki moved toward Rukmaratha.
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That large division which thou seest on left of Drona's host & which looks dark as the clouds consists of the elephants. Rukmaratha is its leader. Those elephants are many, O charioteer, and are difficult of being resisted in battle. Urged by Duryodhana, they wait for me, prepared to cast away their lives."
"All those combatants are of princely birth, and great bowmen & capable of displaying great prowess in battle, belonging to the country of the Trigartas, they are all illustrious car-warriors, owning standards decked with gold. Those brave warriors are waiting, desirous of battle with me. Urge the steeds quickly, O charioteer and take me thither."
Point - most likely the rukmaratha mentioned here was not a relative of king Salya but instead it is a word for a group of people sharing that name/identity. They come from trigarta not madraka.
What Satyaki told to his charioteer:
"Proceed carefully, O Suta, in battle and listen to these grave words of mine. Yonder is seen the host of great splendour of Avantis. Next to them, is the mighty host of the Southerners. And next to it, is the great host of the Valhikas. By the side of the Valhikas, stands resolved for fight the mighty host commanded by Karna. O charioteer, all these hosts are different from one another, but relying upon one another, they protect one another on the field of battle. Arrived at the space left open between these divisions cheerfully urge thou the steed. Pass through the open space between those two divisions towards the fierce and mighty host of Karna."
Action of Satyaki:
"Drona, however, excited with wrath, pursued him from behind, shooting at him countless shafts. Indeed, the preceptor closely followed highly blessed Yuyudhana who advanced without any desire of turning back. Smiting the great host of Karna with whetted arrows, Satyaki penetrated into the vast and limitless army of the Bharatas. When Yuyudhana, however, entered the army, the troops fled away."
Logic - he defeated the army (host) whose chief was Karna. The narrator (Sanjaya) only described satyaki defeating the soldier's of karna but not Karna himself, however since karna is the leader it is likely he fought satyaki and lost against him but it was not described in great detail. Still even if karna did not fight satyaki then it shows a bad side of karna's character again as he did not care about his men being murdered by a enemy warrior in front of him in his vicinity.
Conclusion - while dealing with a dangerous warrior who attacked his rear (Guru drona) he was able to destroy karna's armies easily. Such is the power of Satyaki.
Sanjaya's line:
"Indeed, O Bharata, none amongst those that fought on thy side could resist Yuyudhana of irresistible prowess, of might incapable of impairment, of valour equal to that Of him of a thousand eyes, and looking like the autumnal sun in the firmament."
Point - this'd imply even karna was not able to resist him in a duel. Still not strong enough evidence to conclude that karna faced him or got defeated.
DAY 14 {Part B.}
These quotes prove he actually fought against karna. However these quotes are the ones that happen after jayadratha was already dead and the karna vs bheem fight came to an end.
Quote;
The son of Radha, beholding the ruler of the Sindhu slain, rushed towards him. Seeing the son of Radha thus rushing towards Arjuna the two Panchala princes and Satyaki suddenly rushed towards him. The mighty car-warrior, Partha, beholding the son of Radha advancing, smilingly addressed the son of Devaki & said "Yonder cometh the son of Adhiratha against the car of Satyaki. Without doubt, he is unable to bear the slaughter of Bhurisravas in battle. Urge my steeds, O Janardana, towards the spot whither Karna cometh. Let not Vrisha (Karna) cause the Satwata hero to follow in the wake of Bhurisravas."
Thus addressed by Savyasachin, the mighty-armed Kesava, endued with great energy, replied in these opportune words "The mighty-armed Satyaki is singly a match for Karna, O son of Pandu! How much superior then will this bull among the Satwatas be when he is united with the two sons of Drupada! For the present, O Partha, it is not proper for thee to fight with Karna. The latter hath with him the blazing dart, like a fierce meteor, that Vasava gave him. O slayer of hostile heroes, he hath kept it for thy sake, worshipping it with reverence. Let Karna then freely proceed against the Satwata hero. I know, O son of Kunti, this wicked wight's hour, when, indeed, thou wilt, with keen shafts, throw him down from his car."
Logic - this passage is given here to provide the background/context for why both of them fought eachother, yes it proves that karna could have used the Sakti astra to murder satyaki too but krishna knew karna would not use it on him, apart from sakti astra Karna did use all that he had in his arsenal (barring vijaya bow). Theirs also a mention that Uttamoujas/Yudhamanyu were also going to fight karna, basically do a group attack, but if you read the actual battle then it was the other way around, instead of a group attack against Karna it was a group attack on Satyaki. Also Sanjaya was going to describe other battles but Dhritrashtra wanted him to describe only satyaki vs karna, thus he interrupted sanjaya's narration again.
Fight begin's;
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"Satyaki rushed against the son of Radha, scattering countless shafts. The two protectors of (Arjuna's) car-wheels, Yudhamanyu and Uttamaujas, abandoning Dhananjaya's car, proceeded against the son of Radha. Radha's son also, O king, shooting showers of shafts, angrily rushed, in that battle, against the invincible grandson of Sini. The battle that took place between them was such that its like had never been heard to have taken place on earth or in heaven between gods, Gandharvas, Asuras, Uragas, or Rakshasas. The entire host consisting of cars, steeds, men, and elephants, abstained from the fight, Beholding, O monarch, the stunning feats of two warriors. All became silent spectators of that superhuman battle between those two human heroes."
Comment; No interference of Uttamoujas or Yudhamanyu is shown.
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Day 14 (PART C):
"Both of them endued with great might, each challenging the other, those two warriors put forth their prowess for the sake of their friends. Karna who looked like a celestial, and Yuyudhana, O king, rained upon each other showers of shafts. Indeed, Karna ground the grandson of Sini with his arrowy downpours, unable to put up with the slaughter (by Satyaki) of the Kuru hero, Jalasandha. Filled with grief and sighing like a mighty snake, Karna, casting angry glances on the grandson of Sini in that battle, and as if burning him therewith, rushed at him furiously again and again! Beholding him filled with rage, Satyaki pierced him in return, shooting dense showers of arrows, like an elephant piercing a rival elephant. Those two tigers among men, endued with the activity of tigers and possessed of incomparable prowess, mangled each other furiously in that battle. The grandson of Sini, then, with shafts made entirely of iron, repeatedly pierced Karna, that chastiser of foes, in all his limbs. And he also felled, with a broad-headed arrow, the charioteer of Karna from his niche in the car. And with his keen shafts, he slew the four steeds, white in hue, of Adhiratha's son. And then cutting into a hundred fragments the standard of Karna with a hundred arrows, that bull among men made Karna carless in the very sight of thy son. Then all thy warriors, O king, became cheerless."
Logic - over here clearly the first line indicates that karna was using his full power for the sake of those that are believed to be friend's of his (duryodhan). When it comes to who got hit more by weapons of their opponent obviously karna got hurt more than satyaki, even ignoring the deaths of his driver & horses, destruction of his chariot still karna's body was hit by more arrows. For a time the battle was even but Satyaki gained the upperhand very easily, karna's inability to save his charioteer, companion/guide is a clear sign of his failure. His desire was to attack arjuna but Satyaki came between them both, so karna's goal became to remove satyaki so he could fight arjuna but he still fails to remove satyaki out of the way.
Another way of looking at this is that Sanjaya said the lie "rushed at him furiously again & again" implying that Karna tried attacking satyaki again, by rushing either he ordered his driver to take their vehicle closer to satyaki or it means karna possibly got on foot and tried to advance to Satyaki by running. This leads me to consider the possibility that Karna was defeated more than once in this chapter by the same individual (Satyaki).
They duel again:
"Indeed, when the heroic Karna was made carless by Satyaki, cries of Oh and Alas arose, among all thy troops. Karna also, O king, pierced by Satwata with his arrows and exceedingly weakened ascended the car of Duryodhana, sighing deeply, remembering his friendship for thy son from his childhood and having striven to realise the promise he had made about the bestowal of sovereignty on Duryodhana. After Karna hath been made carless, thy brave sons, headed by Duhsasana, O king, were not slain by the self-restrained Satyaki because the latter wished not to falsify the vow made by Bhimasena. Desirous also of not falsifying the vow formerly made by Partha (about the slaughter of Karna), Satyaki simply made those warriors carless and weakened them exceedingly, but did not deprive them of life. It is Bhima that hath vowed the slaughter of thy sons, and it is Partha that, at the time of the second match at dice, vowed the slaughter of Karna. Although all those warriors headed by Karna made strong efforts for slaying Satyaki, yet those foremost of car-warriors, failed to slay him. Drona's son and Kritavarman and other mighty car-warriors, as also hundreds of foremost Kshatriyas, were all vanquished by Satyaki with only one bow. That hero fought, desirous of benefiting king Yudhishthira the Just, and of attaining to heaven. Indeed, Satyaki, that crusher of foes, is equal to either of the two Krishnas in energy. Smiling the while, he vanquished all thy troops, O best of men!"
Logic - this's proof of yet another satyaki vs karna duel happening this very same day, and one that karna either lost in or the battle was a incoclusive type fight. According to it Satyaki was in a position where he could have killed karna, suyodhana, duhsasana etc but choose against doing so because of the pledges and oath's taken by his friends (bheem and arjuna). Karna on the chariot of Suyodhana tried his best to kill satyaki with arrows but failed in doing so.
Mentioned again.
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"Made carless by Yuyudhana, with thy senses no longer under thy control, thou wert almost at the point of death. Remembering, however, that I had vowed to slay thee, that hero dismissed thee without taking thy life."
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Logic - Here it's mentioned Satyaki even made Karna faint, as he lost his sense's. So it should be clear that gandus like karna, hanuman, parshuram are nothing.
Still this leads me to conclude that during their two duels of day fourteen, first satyaki defeated karna through wounding him with arrows & ruining his chariot.
After that karna on duryodhana's chariot fought again, but Satyaki made karna faint with a weapon, so he won by KO (knock out) in that fight.
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Ending for Karna on day 14.
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"A new chariot was brought for Karna also unto which were yoked 4 steeds of the best breed that were decked in trappings of gold & white as conchs or milk. Its kaksha & standard were made of gold. Furnished with banners & machines, that foremost chariot had an excellent driver. It was furnished with a profusion of weapons of every kind. Mounting on that car, Karna also rushed against his foes. I have now told thee all that thou hadst asked me."
Comment - yes he did return but it's not mentioned specifically who he fought against, whether they were foot soldier's or satyaki or another character/person.
Next Chapter;
Hearing these words of Bhima, Arjuna of immeasurable prowess, getting near Karna in that battle, told him "O Karna, thou art of false fight. O son of a Suta, thou applaudest thy own self. Of wicked understanding, listen now to what I tell thee. Heroes meet with either of these two things in battle, victory or defeat. Both of these are uncertain, O son of Radha!"
Logic - it is not mentioned whether karna was hearing all this with his ears or fighting his battle or if his duel was interrupted, what is known however is that bheem complains to arjuna then arjuna threatens to kill vrishasena while trying to explain to karna why his actions were adharmic (insulting bheem though bheem never insulted him). The sun did set after that and the pandavas celebrated until the nocturnal battle began.
Final piece of evidence (to prove this was considered karna's defeat not a inconclusive fight).
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Then Bhima and the mighty car-warrior Satyaki, both mangled with shafts, saluted their senior. And those two mighty bowmen sat down on the ground, surrounded by the Panchalas. Beholding those two heroes filled with joy and arrived and waiting with joined hands, the son of Kunti congratulated them both saying "By good luck, it is that I see you both ye heroes, escaped with lire from that sea of (hostile) troops, that sea in which Drona acted the part of an invincible alligator, and the son of Hridika that of a fierce shark. By good luck, all the kings of the earth have been vanquished (by you two)."
Yudisther's statement;
"By good luck, Karna hath been vanquished in battle with barbed shafts. By good luck, Salya also was obliged to turn away from the field by you both, ye bulls among men."
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Debunking excuses for karna's loss to satyaki on day fourteen.
A.1- he was fatigued/wounded after dueling bheem/arjuna on a constant basis.
Refutation - that is not relevant because even Satyaki was fatigued/wounded too, he fought kritvarman, drona, suyodhana, duhsasana, sakuni many times, he also fought countless other opponents, his task was harder and more difficult in comparison to karna's. He fought many more opponents and was rumored/believed to have done more damage to the kourav army than arjuna himself.
A.2 - satyaki had a unfair divine chariot.
Refutation - again this's also just a bias BS claim that does not matter. The chariot never fired a weapon for satyaki, neither did it ever increase his endurance, stamina, durability/reaction timing. A chariot is a vehicle, nothing more nothing less and karna did a group attack so it more than makes up for the difference given by a chariot's quality.
Even Dhrumaksha (general of lankan force's) had a chariot like that.
Quote:
"Dhumraksha, with a mule-like clatter, set out in a celestial chariot to which mules adorned with gold and heads of deer and lions were hitched."
Comment - i do not desire to give the complete quote since it made "Hanutati" look good but if you read the next chapter then you will find that a normal rock thrown by Hanuman was enough to destroy this chariot, thus proving that divine chariot's are vulnerable to basic, minor weapon's.
But SO FAR to credit of karna their has not been one incident where celestial weapon's got utilized by him or satyaki during their encounter's. Still karna tried his hardest with regular weapons so he had every intention and desire to kill satyaki but failed, he just did not use divya astras.
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14th night.
PART A;
Meanwhile Satyaki of the Dasarha race, scattering his shafts as he proceeded, reached the spot where, the valiant Dhrishtadyumna was battling. Beholding that invincible warrior of the Satwata race advancing, Radha's son pierced him in that battle with ten arrows. Satyaki, then pierced Karna with ten shafts in the very sight of all those heroes, and addressing him said "Do not fly away but stay before me." The encounter then that took place between mighty Satyaki and the industrious Karna, resembled, O king, that between Vali and Vasava.
Basic's - Satyaki arrived to the place where his chief general dristhadyumn was in danger, his goal was to save that man's life or prevent him from being captured (since drishadyumn won't die until drona does the kouravs might've tried going for an arrest instead of attempt to murder). After achieving this goal he decided to fight karna.
PART B:
"That bull among Kshatriyas Satyaki terrifying all the Kshatriyas with the rattle of his car, pierced the lotus-eyed Karna in return. Making the earth tremble with the twang of his bow, the mighty son of the Suta, contended with Satyaki. Indeed, Karna pierced him in return with hundreds of long, barbed, pointed, tall-toothed, razor-headed arrows & diverse other shafts. Similarly, that foremost one of Vrishni's race, Yuyudhana, in that battle, shrouded Karna with his arrows."
"For a time that battle proceeded equally. Then thy son, O monarch, placing Karna at their head, all pierced Satyaki from every side with keen arrows. Resisting with his own weapons those of them all and of Karna also, O lord, Satyaki quickly pierced Vrishasena in the centre of the chest. Pierced with that arrow, the valiant Vrishasena, of great splendour, quickly fell down on his car, casting aside his bow."
Point - When the line "thy son, o monarch, placing karna at their head, all pierced Satyaki" happened then its clear their was a mistranslation, what sanjaya meant to say was "your sons choose karna to lead them" but obviously what started out as a one vs one duel turned into a group attack against one person.
For some reason the battle turned against karna's favor again, he was doing alright (contending with satyaki) when it was just 1 vs 1 now when karna had kouravas & vrishasena both for helping him he began losing suddenly.
PART C;
"Then Karna, believing that mighty car-warrior, Vrishasena, slain, became scorched with grief on account of the death of his son and began to afflict Satyaki with great force. Thus afflicted by Karna, the mighty car-warrior Yuyudhana, repeatedly pierced Karna with many shafts. Once more piercing Karna with ten arrows & Vrishasena with five, he cut off the leathern fences and the bows of both sire and son. Then those two warriors, stringing two other bows, capable of inspiring enemies with terror, began to pierce Yuyudhana from every side with keen shafts."
Comment:
Though the last person to get hit in the above passage is "Satyaki" still the details of the fight show that Satyaki overpowered, bested and humiliated karna, he was winning the battle, it is similar to prithviraj chauhan vs muhammad of ghor where the person who had the last laugh (muhammad of Ghor) was clearly exposed as being weaker in comparison to Satyaki.
Vrishasena/Karna failed to disarm satyaki or cut off his bow, they also did repeatedly get hurt by his arrows instead.
PART D;
During the progress of that fierce conflict the loud twang of Gandiva was heard over every other sound. Hearing that karna said these words unto Duryodhana "Slaughtering our entire army and the foremost of heroic warriors and many mighty bowmen among the Kauravas, Arjuna is loudly twanging his bow. The rattle also of his car is heard, resembling the roar of the thunder. It's evident, the son of Pandu is achieving feats worthy of his own self This son of Pritha, O monarch, will grind our large host. Many of our troops are already breaking." {then karna spoke again} "Here, however, this Satyaki, this foremost one of the Satwata race, stayeth amid us. If this object of our aim can be struck down, we can then vanquish all our foes. Similarly, the son of the Panchala king is engaged with Drona. He is encompassed on all sides by many heroic & foremost of warriors. If we can slay Satyaki & Dhrishtadyumna without doubt victory will be ours. Surrounding these two heroes, these two mighty car-warriors, as we did the son of Subhadra we will strive to slay them this son of Vrishni's race and this son of Prishata. Savyasachin is before us, coming towards this division of Drona, knowing that Satyaki is engaged here with many chief among the Kurus. Let a large number of our foremost of chariot warrior's proceed thither, so that Partha may not be able to come to the rescue of Satyaki, now encompassed by many. Let these great heroes speedily shoot clouds of shafts with great force, so that Satyaki of Madhu's race may be speedily despatched to Yama's abode."
Logic - the speech made by karna might be hard to understand but i will try to decipher it here, karna believes that if satyaki/dresthadyumn are both murdered then automatically the kouravas will win the war. To me & most intelligent human beings that would make no-sense because the true conditions for victory are either the pandav army gets destroyed, yudisther gets captured or arjuna/krishna end up dead, so how can the death of one dresthadyumn/satyaki possibly give them victory?
PART E;
"The Suta's son, accompanied by a large force, quickly advanced against Satyaki, shooting many hundreds of shafts. Indeed, thy warriors, combining together, encompassed Satyaki."
"Then all those kings of thy army, incapable of being easily defeated in battle, angrily proceeded against Yuyudhana's car, unable to brook his feats. Mounting on their well-equipped cars that were decked with gold and jewels, and accompanied also by cavalry and elephants, they encompassed the Satwata hero. Hemming him on all sides those mighty car-warriors, challenging that hero, uttered loud leonine roars. Those great heroes, desirous of slaying him of Madhu's race, poured their keen arrows on Satyaki of invincible prowess. Beholding them thus advancing with speed towards him, that slayer of hostile hosts, the mighty-armed grandson of Sini, took up and shot many shafts. The heroic and great bowman Satyaki, invincible in battle, cut off many heads with his fierce and straight arrows."
Logic - a group attack was done on Satyaki but fans of karna, hanuman, bhishma, parshuram label him a crook warrior. It's unknown whether karna was also involved in the fighting against satyaki or if he took advantage of this distraction and choose to avoid fighting Satyaki. After this moment Duryodhan seeing the damage done by him chooses to fight Satyaki himself.
PART F;
What a punk like Karna was doing when satyaki was fighting other's.
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"Then Dhrishtadyumna & Sikhandin blew their large conchs, as also the twins and Vrikodara, the son of Pandu. Thus those fierce warriors, vanquished thousands of kings; on thy side that were endued with great energy, at the sight of thy Son and of Karna and the heroic Drona and Drona's son."
Note - as u can read he was basically sitting on his chariot like a mute spectator letting his brave allies get killed.
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PART G - another duel [this time karna had help of his teacher Drona too].
QuoTe;
"Then those two bowmen above all bowmen in the world, rushed with speed against the Parthas headed by the grandson of Sini & by others. Similarly, the Parthas uniting together, accompanied by all their troops, advanced against those two heroes. Then Drona excited with rage, pierced that bull amongst the Sinis with ten arrows. Karna pierced him with ten arrows, Suyodhan with seven, Vrishasena pierced him with ten & Suvala's son with seven. In that impervious wall of Kauravas around the grandson of Sini, these also stationed themselves, encompassing him. Beholding Drona slaughtering the Pandava army in that battle, the Somakas quickly pierced him from every side."
Comment; both were goaded by Suyodhana so they decided to lead a counter attack against all pandava warrior's. And Satyaki became one of the warriors targeted by them. Though it said "parthas" clearly arjuna was not among the warrior's that was targeted by Drona/Karna. The main evidence is the conversation between both arjuna & krishna proving that arjuna was not fighting drona/karna during this chapter.
For the main topic of Satyaki vs Karna its mentioned that a wall of kauravas was around him, this means that a bunch of kaurava brothers were a obstacle infront of satyaki, while karna, vrishasena, drona etc all joined those kaurava prince's to fight Satyaki. However something strange happened as Drona changed his attack target after that, i assume maybe the reason is cause Drona wanted to prevent other pandav warrior's from helping satyaki.
Another thing is that Sanjay claimed Satyaki led the parthas (sons of kunti/pritha) which doesn't make sense as Satyaki was described as being totally alone, theirs no detail provided that shows 2 or more sons of Pritha were accompanying him in this battle. But the incident does prove karna's inferiority to Satyaki again (without celestial weapon's).
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PART H;
Indeed, many were the combatants of the Pandava army that were then despatched to the other world. Thus afflicted by that illustrious hero, the Pandava host, that night, fled away, throwing down their blazing torches all around, in the very sight of Bhimasena and Arjuna and Krishna and the twins and Yudhishthira and Prishata's son. The world being enveloped in darkness, nothing could be seen. In consequence of the light that was amongst the Katirava troops, the flight of the foe could be ascertained.
Those mighty car-warriors, Drona & Karna pursued the flying host, scattering numerous shafts. Seeing the Panchalas slaughtered & routed, Janardana becoming cheerless, said these words unto Phalguna "Dhrishtadyumna and Satyaki, accompanied by the Panchalas, had proceeded against those great bowmen Drona and Karna, shooting many shafts. This large host of ours hath been broken and routed (by them) with showers of arrows. Though their flight is sought to be checked, they are still incapable of being rallied, O son of Kunti! Beholding the host fly away, through fear, ye Pandava warriors, cast away your fears! Accompanied by all the forces and arraying then, in good order, both of us, with uplifted weapons, are even now proceeding against Drona and the Suta's son for withstanding them." Then Janardana beholding Vrikodara advancing, once more addressed Arjuna, the son of Pandu, as if for gladdening him, in these words "Yonder Bhima, who taketh delight in battle, surrounded by the Somakas and the Pandavas, is coming against those mighty car-warriors, Drona and Karna. Supported by him, as also by the many mighty car-warriors among the Pandavas, fight now, O son of Pandu, for assuring all your troops." Then those two tigers among men, the son of Pandu and he of Madhu's race, approaching Drona and Karna, took up their station at the head of battle.
It's entirely possible satyaki ran here but he only had Dresthadyumna and nameless warriors to help him while karna had help of drona, suyodhan, sakuni & others. It was hardly a fair fight. Its also possible satyaki did not run but rather was helping Bheem (who recently came their).
PART I.
Quote;
"Then those two tigers among men, the son of Pandu and he of Madhu's race, approaching Drona and Karna, took up their station at the head of battle."
Logic;
This one is difficult for understanding too, either it means krishna came with arjuna on his chariot, so arjuna had a battle against the union of drona and karna or it means that arjuna fought drona & satyaki fought karna because krishna would not desire for arjuna to fight karna here.
Firstly the bigger threat to the pandav army is drona but he is vulnerable to arjuna while karna had the sakthi astra but would only use it on arjuna so it was more cunning to have satyaki fight instead. Also madhu's race implies a yadav warrior so Satyaki could be that.
Arjuna's word;
"Go and encounter Karna in single combat this night. The mighty car-warrior Satyaki will protect thy rear. Assisted by Satwata hero, slay brave Karna in battle."
Krishna suggested otherwise;
"Let Nakula and Sahadeva and the valiant Yuyudhana, O son of Pandu, at thy command, slay the other Rakshasas!"
Logic - satyaki the guard position & began killing the accomplices of Alayudha (that were asuric warrior's). So no satyaki vs karna duel here.
PART J:
"Nakula and Sahadeva and the mighty car-warrior Satyaki, having slain the Rakshasas, proceeded to that place where the Suta's son was. All of them, then, began to fight with Karna."
Logic - now satyaki has decided to use the same tactic of karna (adharma etc group attack etc) still he did this after overcoming an obstacle (murdering a rakshasa).
Quote;
"Beholding the mighty son of Bhimasena engaged, the mighty-armed Karna rushed against the Panchalas. He pierced Dhrishtadyumna and Sikhandin, each with ten strong & straight shafts sped from his bow drawn to its fullest stretch. With a number of other powerful shafts Karna caused Yudhamanyu, Uttamaujas, and the great car-warrior Satyaki to tremble."
"The bows of those warriors also while they were engaged in striking Karna from all sides, were seen to be drawn into circles. On that night, the twang of their bow-strings and the rattle of their car-wheels became loud & deep as the roar of the clouds at the close of summer."
Point - the twang of their bows and loudness/volume indicates they were all fighting with full power. Unfortunately this battle looks like it is going in karna's favor. Since no real retaliation was mentioned on satyaki's part and he was trembling cause of arrow attacks.
What makes people believe Satyaki lost this one;
"Exceedingly afflicted by the Suta's son in that battle, many of them entered the force of Yudhishthira. Beholding them broken and compelled to retreat, Ghatotkacha became mad with rage."
Note - the key word is 'many of them' not all of them, indicating its possible satyaki retreated to another division/location or he stayed gravely facing karna, even if we do count this as karna's win then that is still just one victory compared to the 5 defeats he got from Satyaki (twice for night 14, twice on day 14 and once at day 12).
Final action of Satyaki;
"Let Nakula and Sahadeva and the sons of Draupadi and the Prabhadrakas, and Drupada and Virata with their sons and brothers, and Satyaki and the Kaikeyas and the Pandavas and Dhananjaya, rush with speed against Bharadwaja's son, from desire of slaying him."
Point - yudisther gave this order & satyaki followed up on it. Group attacking drona while karna didn't do anything relevant, he got his five minutes of attention/fame & then just went back to doing nothing or goofing off. Random warriors tell him to stop fighting once arjuna granted a proposal but its not mentioned who karna fought & the reason is cause karna's last duel was not worth elaborating on as he probably fought an irrelevant person.
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15th day.
PART I;
"Drona then, shooting a thousand arrows in the thick of fight, cut off the sword of Dhrishtadyumna as also his shield, decked with a hundred moons. Those arrows that Drona shot, while fighting from such a near point, were of the length of a span. Such arrows are used only in close fight."
"Then the preceptor, desirous of slaying his disciple who was unto him even as his own son, fixed on his bow-string a shaft endued with great impetuosity. That shaft, however, Satyaki cut off by means of ten arrows, in the very sight of thy son as also of Karna, as thus rescued Dhrishtadyumna who was on the point of succumbing to Drona."
Then Kesava & Dhananjaya beheld Satyaki of prowess incapable of being baffled, who was thus careering in the car-tracks of the Kuru warriors & within the range of the shafts of Drona & Karna & Kripa. Saying "Excellent, Excellent!" both of them loudly applauded Satyaki of unfading glory, who was thus destroying the celestial weapons of all those warriors.
Addressing Krishna, Dhananjaya said "Behold, O Kesava, that perpetuator of Madhu's race, Satyaki of true prowess, sporting before the preceptor & those mighty car-warriors. Gladdening me and the twins and Bhima and king Yudhishthira. With skill acquired by practice & without insolence, behold that enhancer of the fame of the Vrishnis, Satyaki, careering in battle, sporting the while with those mighty car-warriors. All these troops beholding him invincible in battle, are filled with wonder, and applauding him, saying "Excellent Excellent!" [arjuna's sentence is over] Indeed, O king, the warriors of both armies all applauded the Satwata hero, for his feats.
Reasoning; Satyaki's goal was to protect his general (dresthadyumn) which clearly he succeeded in. It is then mentioned that satyaki was in a danger zone where drona, kripa and karna could hit him. The most important line is that he baffled the celestial weapons (divya astras) of those 3 warrior's showing that even while using celestial weapon's karna can not defeat him.
Though this was not a defeat for karna it was still a incident where he got overpowered and Satyaki proved to be better, despite dealing with a group attack, also it was Satyaki who got praised by both kauravas & pandavas, so its fair to credit this as a incident for his power instead, though since karna did not run or get disarmed this was not a defeat for him.
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PART II;
"Beholding those feats of the Satwata hero Duryodhana & others quickly encompassed the grandson of Sini on all sides. Kripa and Karna, of also thy sorts, O sire, in that battle, quickly approaching the grandson of Sini, began to strike him with keen arrows."
"Then king Yudhishthira, and the two other Pandavas, the two sons of Madri and Bhimasena of great might surrounded Satyaki (for protecting him). Karna the mighty car-warrior Kripa Duryodhana and others all resisted Satyaki, pouring showers of arrows on him. The grandson of Sini, however, contending with all those car-warriors, baffled, O monarch, that terrible downpour of arrows, so suddenly created by his foes."
"Indeed, in that dreadful battle, Satyaki, by means of his own celestial weapons, duly resisted all those celestial weapons aimed at him by those illustrious warriors."
Point - satyaki's battle with karna, drona both continued but now took a different turn as Duryodhan got involved. When the line "of also thy sorts" came i think it's possible sanjaya meant "sons" not "sorts" regardless clearly its a unfair battle and it hints at the kaurava warrior's doubting not just karna's power but even guru drona's. They believe satyaki was better compared to both. Otherwise they would not jump in like parents defending children.
Anyways in the second battle though its clearly mentioned that yudisther & 3 more pandavas came to aid Satyaki the issue is that they did not attack any of his enemies, they were said to interfere without actually doing anything. So it can be concluded that 4 pandava's came only to get a closer look at the show (satyaki's battle was like a athletic one/boxing match), the pandavas came to WATCH and enjoy not to actually fight.
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PART III.
After the above incident (satyaki vs karna part 2 on day 15) guru drona turned his attention to a different enemy, then bheem choose to talk to him so drona choose to abandon the war now using a yogic technique or type of magic ability for separating his soul from his body, while Dresthadyumn beheaded a lifeless corpse. In all this chaos either sanjaya did not pay attention to what Satyaki was doing or Satyaki was just a mute spectator.
It is possible that satyaki vs karna continued but got interrupted when drona said his final goodbye/last words (before suicide). But no detail has been given.
All that is known;
"Even the Suta's son fled away in fear, taking with him his own vast division, that was retreating with great speed with all its standards."
Comment - who was karna afraid of here? dristhadyumna? or maybe satyaki? most likely it's satyaki cause he was the last person to fight karna before drona vadh. It can be considered the first time satyaki defeated karna this day (he defeated him during previous days too but just for this day only as a fresh start it is his 1st LOSS).
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Their was no more satyaki vs karna duels until ashwathama decided to go on a rampage.
Narayan Astra Moksana Parva.
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"Your son Duryodhan that chariot warrior accompanied by Kripa, Karna & others began to cover the Satwata hero with arrows. All of them began quickly to pierce Satyaki from every side with keen shafts, Duryodhana pierced him with twenty, Saradwat's son, Kripa, with three. Kritavarman pierced him with ten, Karna with fifty, Duhsasana pierced him with a hundred arrows & Vrishasena with seven. Satyaki, however soon made all those great car-warriors fly away from the field, deprived of their cars. Meanwhile, Aswatthaman recovering consciousness, and sighing repeatedly in sorrow, began to think of what he should do."
Note - these six men lost their vehicles only, not their charioteer's, bows or armor, they could have still continued the duel shooting arrows while on foot, on the ground instead of a chariot. But instead they choose to run. Sanjaya then focused on ashwathama instead, that indicate karna did not even try to fight back, return or do a comeback.
16th day;
{Part A}
"Thy sons resembling the children of the celestials, with a host of warriors of immeasurable might at their van, all proceeded against Satyaki, that bull of Sini's race."
"Then the son of Surya, resembling the chief of the celestials himself in prowess & like unto the younger brother of Indra, struck that foremost one of Sini's race with shafts whose splendour resembled the rays of the Sun."
"That bull of Sini's race also, in that battle, then quickly shrouded that foremost of men, with his car, steeds and driver, with diverse kinds of shafts terrible as the poison of the snake."
"Then many Atirathas belonging to thy army, accompanied by elephants and cars and foot-soldiers, quickly approached that bull among car-warriors Vasusena, when they beheld the latter deeply afflicted with the shafts of that foremost hero of Sini's race."
Logic - here satyaki first fought with a bunch of nameless kourava brother's, then had a duel with karna, obviously Satyaki won here, then atiratha class fighter's came to defend surya's beta. Like salman khan went to protect his girlfriend in a bollywood film.
{Part B}
"Karna, leaving Satyaki quickly pierced Arjuna with three arrows and Krishna with twenty, and Partha again repeatedly. Although many were the arrows that he shot while slaying his foes in that battle, like Indra himself inspired with wrath, Karna yet felt no fatigue. Meanwhile Satyaki, coming up, pierced Karna with nine and ninety fierce arrows, and once more with a hundred. Then all the foremost heroes among the Parthas began to afflict Karna."
Logic; another win for Satyaki as Karna tried to run away (he'd rather lose to arjun than satyaki again) he got hit by almost 200 arrows.
Countering an excuse;
Karna fans claim that karna merely chose to fight the bigger fish in the pond on day 16 and thats why he ignored satyaki to fight arjuna instead or on day 17 he ignored/avoided satyaki to fight bheem instead.
But if it had been the other way around (like satyaki abandoning a battle with one warrior to fight another) then all these karna fans would've termed that as a defeat for Satyaki.
On day 10 Satyaki was fighting Alamvusha, then when Bhagadatta intervened he decided to avoid alamvusha & go for attacking Bhagadatta instead.
About this line "then all the foremost heroes among the parthas began to afflict karna" this's a obvious exaggeration as the best warrior of the pandavas (arjuna) was not involved in the group attack and satyaki took a break, he paused after firing his 199 arrows at karna's body, the last mention of satyaki in the 16th day is him firing 199 arrows.
Still during their duel the winner on day 16 was obviously satyaki based on who injured who more, when karna was fighting back he still could not gain a single upperhand, he never overpowered satyaki.
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Quote used by karnian's to prove that Satyaki was defeated once or twice in between days 11 and 16 of Kurukshetra is below;
"Thou hast witnessed it with thy own eyes, O mighty-armed one, how Ghatotkaca, screened by his illusions and displaying hundreds of still slain that night by Karna. Feeling a great fear all these days Vibhatsu could never stand, fronting Karna. The mighty Bhimasena also, moved hither & thither by the horn of Karna's bow, was, O king, addressed in very harsh words such as Fool and Glutton. The two brave sons of Madri also were defeated by Karna in great battle, though, from some object he had in view, he did not, O sire, slay them then. That foremost one of Vrishni's race, the heroic Satyaki, the chief of the Satwata clan, was vanquished by Karna and made carless."
Comment - this's the full quote, now it has inaccuracies, i will explain only one though, that is that Arjuna (vibhatsu) couldn't stand in front of karna.
"Where was thy prowess and where were thy weapons when vanquishing thee in battle the wielder of Gandiva slew Jayadratha in thy very sight?"
Logic - it was mentioned by ashwathama himself that karna lost to Arjuna. Unless u believe the wielder of gandeev dhanush is not arjuna.
Why Duryodhan's statement is not genuine when it comes to the Satyaki vs Karna duels.
Quote;
"In consequence of thy folly, however, O Suyodhana, thou knowest not what should be said and what should not. The man on the point of death beholdeth all trees to be made of gold. So thou also, O son of Gandhari, seest everything inverted."
Logic - Ganga's beta is spitting facts. Clearly Duryodhan was not in a stable mental condition, his opinion hardly matters on topics related to battles unless they are agreed upon by characters that are endued with wisdom.
Duryodhan claimed Salya was a equal to Karna;
"Listen to it, O ruler of men, Karna is not superior to thee, nor do I suspect thee, O king."
Logic - i know he said this just for pleasing or satisfying salya's ego but if he can lie to persuade salya into becoming a driver then why can't he lie further by overrating the achievements of karna?
If Duryodhan really had true genuine faith in karna's power then this incident below should not have occurred;
"The Suta's son (Karna), and king Suyodhana and Duhshasana and Shakuni, in special, could not compose themselves to sleep. Those four passed that night together in Duryodhana's tent, reflecting upon the woes they had inflicted upon the high-souled Pandavas. Formerly they had brought Draupadi, plunged into woe on account of the match at dice, into the assembly."
"Recollecting it they experienced great regret, their hearts being filled with anxiety. Thinking of those sufferings inflicted (upon the Pandavas) in consequence of the gambling match they passed that night in sorrow, O king, as if it were really a hundred years."
Point - clearly the regret these four men had shows that they did not want the war to happen so they regretted their former crimes.
CONCLUSION; So the quote where Duryodhan told Shalya that Karna defeated Satyaki before day 17 is not accurate, trustworthy or believable.
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17th day.
Theirs at-least 3 incident's on day 17 where Satyaki embarrassed karna, yes it is true that this was karna's day, he defeated satyaki a unknown amount of times, but i will show the rare times where he actually ended up losing to Satyaki that day or at least being outmatched.
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"Beholding Yudhishthira fly away in that battle, pursued him, shooting many straight-coursing shafts equipped with Kanka feathers. The son of the Wind-god, filled with wrath, and covering the entire welkin with his shafts, shrouded Karna with thick showers of arrows as the latter pursued the king from behind. The son of Radha then, that crusher of foes, turning back from the pursuit, quickly covered Bhima himself with sharp arrows from every side. Then Satyaki, of immeasurable soul placing himself on the side of Bhima's car, began to afflict Karna who was in front of Bhima. Though exceedingly afflicted by Satyaki, Karna still approached Bhima."
Point - Karna wanted to go after yudisther, but it doesn't make much sense cause he already made up his mind to not capture him even if he beats him so fighting yudisther is a waste of time, but due to his desire (to harass yudisther) karna decided to face bheem instead of retaliating against Satyaki.
What happened to Satyaki before the death of anga prince Prasena;
"Having slain next the steeds of Satyaki, the Suta's son then slew Visoka, the son of the ruler of the Kaikayas."
PRASENA VADHA:
Prasena, with many keen arrows of straight course, covered the steedless grandson of Sini & seemed to dance upon his car. Soon, however, the son of Karna, struck by the grandson of Sini, fell down. Upon the slaughter of his son, Karna, with heart filled with rage, addressed that bull among the Sinis from desire of slaying him, saying "Thou art slain, O grandson of Sini!" and sped at him an arrow capable of slaying all foes. Then Shikhandi cut off that arrow with three shafts of his, and struck Karna himself with three other shafts. The fierce son of the Suta then, cutting off with a couple of razor-faced arrows the bow and the standard of Shikhandi, struck and pierced Shikhandi himself with six shafts, and then cut off the head of Dhrishtadyumna's son.
Logic - karna's attention turned away from satyaki because another enemy (Sreekandi) got in his way but its highly unlikely that his arrow could have truly killed satyaki or taken his life away. It's just another exaggeration by sanjaya, though karna did not lose still it is a embarrassment for him due to his beta dying.
{The FINAL duel}
"Then that bull among the Sinis, cutting off with his own keen shafts the innumerable arrows sped by Karna, and piercing Karna himself with many keen arrows made entirely of iron, pierced thy eldest son with eight shafts. Then Kripa, and the Bhoja chief (Kritavarma), and thy son, and Karna himself, assailed Satyaki in return with keen shafts."
"That foremost one, however, of Yadu's race fought with those four warriors like the chief of the Daityas fighting with the Regents of the (four) quarters. With his twanging bow stretched to its fullest limits & from which shafts flowed incessantly, Satyaki became exceedingly irresistible like the meridian Sun in the autumnal sky."
"Those scorchers of foes then the mighty car-warriors among the Pancalas, once more riding on their cars and clad in mail and united together, protected that foremost one among the Sinis, like the Maruts protecting Sakra while engaged in afflicting his foes in battle. The battle fraught with the slaughter of men and steeds and elephants that then ensued between thy foes and the warriors of thy army, became so fierce that it resembled the encounter in days of old between the gods and the Asuras."
Chronology - This incident happened right before duhsasana's death & after five pancala royal warriors (brothers to draupadi) were beaten by karna.
Detail's - Satyaki first checked arrows of karna, then injured karna, duryodhan both with arrows. Next kripa, kritvarman both came to help them, karna, duryodhan also retaliated so satyaki was alone vs four major warriors.
Result - Satyaki held all of them in place/check for some time, not letting any even karna move forward, they failed to advance a single step ahead, then panchalas came to help satyaki and it became a devasur sangram.
The next mention of karna was him being challenged by Bheem to save duhsasana, which he failed in accepting or acting upon. Though this incident is no defeat for karna it still is a sign of him being overpowered or failing miserably.
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WHO LOST MORE?
Calculating it in simple terms. The answer is clearly karna lost more.
Satyaki defeated Karna 7 times:
Even if we remove the 12th day because it was written (after karna got rescued by Jayadratha) that karna was frightening (scaring/intimidating) his opponent (so its a inconclusive match). Then still karna fans must consider the remaining incidents.
On day 14 Satyaki defeated karna twice, first a solo match, after that it was karna with a group that lost again to Satyaki, so karna became a two time loser in that scenario/battle.
On the 14th night first Satyaki defeated karna in a one vs one scenario even creating a situation where karna felt his dear vrishasena to be dead. This led karna to run away to Suyodhan & ask him to do the same group attack they did against abhimanyu 36 hours ago.
Again on the 15th day Satyaki defeated karna twice. So far that is 5 (five) defeats for karna.
For day 16 before arjuna's interference satyaki was winning & karna decided to attack arjuna (the moment he saw him) instead of continuing the unfinished battle with Satyaki. So we can term this as karna's defeat again, as he was already considered in danger before arjuna's entrance and satyaki held the upper hand.
Finally day 17 after prasena's death Satyaki alone countered & overpowered the group attack done by karna, kripacharya/kritvarman. So he had 7 victories over karna. The prasena vadh incident occurs after karna is mentioned wielding vijaya dhanush too.
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Karna defeated Satyaki once in the 14th night, first by cheating (group attack with drona's help before any ghatotkatch interference happens). In their last duel during the night karna did counter a group attack but no evidence has been shown of Satyaki running away from him.
Even if it is considered a defeat the still its only 2 wins for karna in comparison to Satyaki's wins its clear who was better.
Common sense/logic tells you Satyaki was superior, theirs only one thing he'd need to worry for that is the sakthi astra of indra/karna but all other divine weapons dont matter cause satyaki nulled each divine weapon karna used on day 15.
Satyaki lost 2 times Karna lost 7 times, losing more does not equal better, it actually means you are worse/weaker. So karna is inferior compared to Satyaki. This's as much of a fact as Rajpal Yadav being inferior to Suniel Shetty.
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