Introduction; My desire to at least debunk 3 fake myths that are based around the overrated character of parshurama. First i will prove he did not win against Sahastrarjun through merit, second goal is to prove that parshuram had a limited life-span (he was no chiranjeevi/immortal).
3rd objective will be too prove that parshuram losing his powers (after a fight with raam) is a fake claim made by obsessed bhakts of his that dismiss real facts.
After that i will compare Parshurama with other Maha-Bharat warriors. But not with pandav arjuna cause that deserves a separate post.
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SAHASTRARJUN VS PARSHURAMA.
According to Puranas;
"Thereafter, for slaying Bhārgava in the battle the king took up the trident that had been given to him by Datta and that had never been futile. He took it up with due chanting of mantras. That trident had the lustre of a hundred suns. It could not be checked by Suras or Asuras. Aiming it at Rāma, he hurled it with his entire strength. The trident fell on the head of Bhārgava, O lord of the Earth. Due to the impact that he was hit by the trident, Bhārgava became pained. He became unconscious, O prominent king, remembering Hari. When Bhārgava fell there, all the Devas became agitated due to fear. Keeping Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara in front they all came there. Lord Śaṅkara who has great knowledge and who is the conqueror of Death, himself resuscitated Bhārgava by means of the Sañjīvanī Vidyā. Regaining his consciousness, Rāma saw the Suras in front of him. O leading king, he bowed down to Brahmā and other suras with devotion." [end]
Logic - so parshuram was miserably defeated by mard sahastrarjun, he got resurrected by sanjeevani vidya. It's unfair.
According to archeologists:
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Logic; Parshuram fought Sahastrarjun only when he was past physical prime or peak as a warrior. So he waited for years till after he would become an aged person. That must be what it was meant in MB's vana parva when its mentioned Vishnu spent years doing tapasya, he was actually waiting for sahastrarjun to get older.
Quote: "And on that occasion, all that was for the good of the world of beings, was communicated by the lord of gods; and the blessed god worshipped by the world, to do all that was necessary, went to the delightful Vadari wood which was his own chosen retreat for practising penances."
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Logic - here a tridev himself needed to do tapasya. Because that tridev (vishnu)'s base level power was not adequate to kill sahastrarjun, their is no way parshuram could fairly beat a character that vishnu himself needed to train to surpass, cause vishnu is tougher than his own avatars.
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According to indonesian ramayana (text not corrupted by india’s british masters) parshurama killed him after sahastrarjun heard a rumor that his beloved wife died so sahastrarjun let down his guard (he lost a desire to live a good life).
Logic - This source might be dismissed by other fans & hindus, that is a fine decision to make, but people should realize that kmg mahabharat (which is more authentic than BORI CE) was written or translated in 1896, while indonesan stories were written before any british raaj era. So the fact this source is older means it deserves to be acknowledged in a debate/discussion. Anyways cause Parshuram had no real victory outside of his incident against Sahastrarjun so it makes more sense to say that Parshuram cheated or his victory was a fluke.
So Parshuram did not defeat Sahastrarjun he just ended the life of a man who wanted to die (he had no interest being alive anymore). It is not impressive in anyway or something which can be used for gauging his ability as a warrior.
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According to Mahabharat quotes Sahastrarjun lost against Parshuram cause of a curse only.
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Apava, O mighty-armed king, seeing his retreat consumed by the powerful Kshatriya, cursed that monarch in wrath, saying "Since, O Arjuna, without excepting these my specious woods, thou hast burnt them, therefore, Rama (of Bhrigu's race) will lop off thy (thousand) arm." The mighty Arjuna, however, of great prowess, always devoted to peace, ever regardful of Brahmanas and disposed to grant protection (unto all class), and charitable and brave, O Bharata, did not think of that curse denounced on him by that high-souled Rishis. His powerful sons, always haughty and cruel, in consequence of that course, became the indirect cause of his death.
Logic - the power of this curse would change the fate of a upcoming battle so even when sahastrarjun made parshuram faint or killed parshuram (with a trishula) then still parshuram needs to come back to life so the curse of Apava can become true. Parshuram won due to unfair advantages. He is not selfmade instead parshuram was a guy that achieved status due to nepotism factors.
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Their exist many hints of Sahastrarjun's superiority over Parshuram in both epics of Ramayana/MB.
Parshuram admits indraputra Arjuna is better than himself;
"This child of thine, O Kunti, will be equal unto Kartavirya in energy and Siva in prowess. Invincible like Sakra himself he will spread thy fame far and wide."
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01124.htm
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01124.htm
Logic - if a warrior whose hailed as a equal of kartavirya is considered better than parshuram its fair to say kartavirya himself was superior too.
Cross reference; "Arjuna is even greater than what Jamadagni's son hath described him to be."
The point here is not comparing parshuram to pandav arjun but rather the objective is to prove if pandav arjun was born to be a equal of sahastrarjun & the same pandav arjun was better than bhishma (who fairly defeated parshuram) its fair to say that sahastrarjun was superior to parshurama too then.
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2ND MYTH TO BE DISPROVED BY ME:
Addressing the fake-concept of him being a immortal/Chiranjeevi. I will debunk this garbage/rubbish claim that his devotees have made immediately.
Here is a quote from the 13th night of Kurukshetra where the pandavas get informed by Narada Muni that Parshuram's death is also scheduled, basically his lifespan is limited too.
Quote; "Even the great ascetic Rama, the hero worshipped by all heroes, that son of Jamadagni, of great fame, will die, without being contented (with the period of his life). Rooting out all evils from the earth, he caused the primeval Yuga to set in."
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2nd quote;
"By making gifts of Gold, Rama became cleansed of all his sins, and finally attained to a high place in heaven that is unattainable by other men."
Logic - He is already dead spending time in swarga lok under Indra Dev. So he wont be a teacher for any future avatar like Kalki.
So now hopefully at least 10 percent of the hindu population will accept parshuram is not immortal.
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3rd DEBUNK.
A common argument his devotees made "parshuram lost his connection to vishnu during the fight with ram" as an excuse for his beating at the hand's of Bhishma in Mahabharat people try to say he wasn't at his peak or prime as a warrior.
I will now provide genuine quotes which prove my case that Parshuram actually gained back all power he lost.
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"And behold there, O Yudhisthira, the tirtha of Bhrigu that is celebrated over the three worlds and adored, O king, by great Rishis. Bathing here, Rama (of Bhrigu's race) regained his might, which had been taken away from him (by Dasaratha's son). Bathing here, O son of Pandu, with thy brothers and Krishna, thou wilt certainly regain that energy of thine that hath been taken away by Duryodhana, even as Rama regained his that had been taken away by Dasaratha's son in hostile encounter."
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2nd quote;
"And after the expiration of a year, the Pitris, beholding Rama dwelling there deprived of energy, his pride quelled, and himself sunk in affliction."
3rd Quote;
"Bathing in all the tirthas of that stream, thou wilt regain thy energy! There Parshuram, in that river is the tirthas where your ancestor Bhrigu, in the celestial age had practised ascetic penances of great merit."
"Thus addressed by them, Rama, O son of Kunti, did what the Pitris bade him, and obtained back at this tirtha, O son of Pandu, the energy he had lost."
Note: this's crystal clear proof that Parshuram after losing to Ram had gained back any energy and power he had lost in that fight. So the excuse of him not being at full power/potential during his beating at hand's of Gangaya, will not work here.
Possible theory - maybe Parshuram had to wait until Raam passes away/dies to get back his power. It was a very rare case in treta yuga cause Vishnu had to divide his soul into 2 bodies (apart from his own), so raam/parshuram would each have 1/3rd of his power.
If u do math then parshuram gives 32 percent to raam leaving 1 % for himself (to stay alive) then he just waits until raam's death so the soul could return to him since raam's body will cease to exist. It could make sense if raam's soul separated from his body before the battle of parshuram vs bhishma so parshuram was already at full power during the time of this duel.
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COMPARING parshuram to the mahabharat warrior's i mentioned i would compare him too.
Bheem vs Bhishma;
"Bhima alone, approaching Bhishma, encountered him in battle. Then in that encounter between Bhima and Bhishma, a fierce and terrible uproar arose among all the troops (of the Kauravas). The Pandavas then, filled with joy, uttered leonine shouts. During that destructive carnage, king Duryodhana, surrounded by his uterine brothers, protected Bhishma in that battle. Then that foremost of car-warriors, Bhima, slew Bhishma's charioteer. Thereupon the steeds no longer controlled, ran away from the field with car."
Logic: do not make up excuses for him, the coward bhishma had multiple kourav brother's & princes to aid him, they could have protected his driver but failed. Bhishma if not beaten was still forced to retreat, so it counts against him. Vrikodara Bheem fired an arrow so quickly that Bhishma could not deflect it in time or prevent it from reaching his driver.
Suyodhana vs Bheem.
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"Aiming a terrible shaft blazing as Death's rod, the Kuru king, excited with rage struck Bhimasena between his two breasts. Deeply pierced therewith, and greatly pained, he sat down on the terrace of his car. And while seated on the terrace of his car, he swooned away. Beholding Bhima thus unmanned, the illustrious and mighty car-warriors of the Pandava army, headed by Abhimanyu could not bear it."
Logic - it's confirmed that suyodhana was superior to not only parshuram but even bhishma too.
Suyodhana (when he has divine armor) vs Panchal prince's;
"Yudhamanyu, excited with wrath, quickly sped, in that battle, thirty shafts at the centre of thy son's chest. Then Uttamaujas also, excited with wrath, pierced Duryodhana's charioteer with shafts decked with gold, and despatched him to Yama's abode. Duryodhana also, O monarch, then slew the four steeds as also the two Parshni charioteers of Uttamaujas, the prince of Panchalas. Then Uttamaujas, in that battle, becoming steedless and driverless, quickly ascended the car of his brother, Yudhamanyu. Ascending on the car of his brother, he struck Duryodhana's steeds with many shafts. Slain therewith, those steeds fell down on the earth."
"Upon the fall of his steeds, the valiant Yudhamanyu then, by a mighty weapon, quickly cut off Duryodhana's bow and then (with another shaft), his leathern fence. That bull among men then, thy son, jumping down from that steedless and driverless car, took up a mace and proceeded against the two princes of Panchala. Beholding that subjugator of hostile town, thus advancing in wrath, both Yudhamanyu and Uttamaujas jumped down from the terrace of their car."
"Then Duryodhana armed as he was with a mace, pressed down into the earth with that mace that foremost of cars furnished with gold, with steeds and driver and standard. Thy son then, that scorcher of foes, having thus crushed that car, steedless and driverless as he himself was, quickly ascended the car of the king of the Madras."
Yes duryodhana was able to destroy the chariot of his enemy by using a mace but duryodhana failed to use his arrow skill to cut or deflect the arrows of yudhamanyu that disarmed him. So its evident of duryodhan's inferiority compared to yudhamanyu as an archer. But this same duryodhana was able to cut the bow of bheem six times & hit him so fatally with arrows that he fainted. While Bheem was able to fire arrows with such quick speed that Bhishma failed to deflect them & they would result in a embarrassing retreat for bhishma.
Yudhamanyu lost to kripa:
"Yudhamanyu, piercing Kripa, quickly cut off his bow. Then Kripa, that foremost of all wielders of weapons, taking up another bow, felled Yudhamanyu's standard and driver and umbrella on the Earth. At this, the mighty car-warrior Yudhamanyu retreated on his car, driving it himself."
Conclusion - So at last even kripa was superior to Parshuram & Bhishma. If the battle does not involve arrows but is focused mainly on astras only then should kripa, bheem, duryodhan, yudhamanyu and uttamoujas be labelled superior to parshurama/bhishma.
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