Putting an end to the hanuman topic (part 5).

Disclaimer:

I wanted to post this a month or two month's back but i had my own issues to deal with, now however i can do this, although i didnt get all the images i wanted so its not like my post ended up as i wanted it too originally.

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People claim hanuman recieved praise and accolades from Ravan, Bheem, Shri Ram, Laxman, Seetha, and other characters.

But now i will disprove this too.

How - it is basic, by providing a list of quotes where characters from both stories (Mahabharat & Ramayana) state incorrect thing's their words means nothing and they are lying.

I warn you though, it could be tiresome to read this.

Even though Ravan said this:

"He that Rama is merely a human, and in war he equals me not by my finger, oh, richly colourful lady, and I chanced here merely by your serendipity, thus you honour me and my desire to possess you."

http://valmikiramayan.pcriot.com/utf8/aranya/sarga48/aranya_48_frame.htm

STILL HANUBHAKTS RELIED ON RAVANS WORD to defend their useless idol hanumana.

Post really begin's.

1) Laxman's accolade:

[quote] "You are the knower of virtuousness and gratefulness and you do not retreat from battlegrounds, or, on your own word, thus what you have said is conclusive as well as coherent." [end quote]

http://valmikiramayan.pcriot.com/utf8/kish/sarga36/kishkindha_36_frame.htm

Logic; According to Laxman's words in Kishkinda Kanda their was never a incident in his life where Sugriva lost a fight. Even though very recently he was defeated by Vali. So his words are clearly not reliable.

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2) Sreekandi from Mahabharat recieved a accolade.

Initial Quote;

[Arjuna's word's] "All of them after their initiation in the Vedas, have undergone the final bath in sacrifices. All of them are unvanquished. They are competent, O son of Pandu, to slay in battle the army of even the celestials. Thou hast for thy allies Sikhandin, and Yuyudhana and Dhristadyumna of Prishata's race." [end of quote]

https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05197.htm

Logic - i already highlighted the 2 important word's in bold.

Middle quote;

"the unvanquished Sikhandin, the Asmakas, the Kekayas, and Kshatradharman of 'the Somakas, the ruler of the Chedis, and Chekitana, and Vibhu, the son of the ruler of the Kasi,"

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07082.htm

My explanation - this line was stated by king Dhritrashtra, father to Suyodhana. He claim's that Srikandi was never defeated by calling her "unvanquished"

Last quotE:

"That invincible prince of the Panchala who encountered the Kalingas in battle, with what Sikhandin skilled in every weapon, will the Pandavas fight against you. She whom a Yaksha for Bhishma's destruction metamorphosed into a male, with that formidable bowman will the Pandavas fight against you."

https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05050.htm

Explanation; Dhritrashtra called her "invincible" its a clear exaggeration like hanuman being praised is another exaggeration.

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Bonus] Srikandi was labelled as superior to parshuram by Dhritrashtra.

Quote.

"Without doubt, Drupada's son Sikhandin, therefore who hath slain in battle that bull of Bharata's race, that hero acquainted with the highest weapons, that brave and accomplished warrior conversant with every weapon, is superior in energy, prowess, and might to the invincible Vargava endued with the highest energy."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06014.htm

Note: the bhargav here is referring to Bhargav parshuram.

Srikandi was labelled as superior to parshuram by Dhritrashtra.

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3) An accolade that Karna got given to him.

Quote:

"neither Bhishma, nor Drona, nor any other warrior of thy army had ever achieved such feats as were then achieved by Karna in that battle"

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08056.htm

Logic - this would indicate or hint at karna having slain more human's than Drona, Bhishma combined put together. But not if you look at more quotes below.

In a single day Bhishma slew over 220 thousand.

[begin quote] "Having slain ten thousand elephants of great activity and ten thousand steeds also, O king, along with their riders, and full two hundred thousands of foot-soldiers, Bhishma shone resplendent in battle like a fire without a curl of smoke." [end quote]

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06110.htm

In ten day's Bhishma slew more than a million.

[quote] "who, scattering like Sakra himself and inexhaustible shower of arrows, slew in battle a hundred millions of warriors in ten days, that scion of Bharata's race, now lieth, although he deserveth it not, on the bare ground, in the field of battle, deprived of life" [end quote]

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06014.htm

Important warriors dead in 17 days.

As you will read over 99 percent were killed by guru Drona not karna or bhishma:

"Satyajit, who was equal to the diadem-decked Arjuna himself in battle as regards energy and might, hath been slain in battle by Drona of sure aim. Many mighty bowmen among the Pancalas, all of whom were skilled in battle, encountering Drona, have repaired to Yama's abode. So the two kings Virata and Drupada, both venerable in years, who exerted themselves with great prowess for their ally, have, with their sons, been slain in battle by Drona."

"The two kings Manimat and Dandadhara, both of whom were invincible in battle and had put forth their prowess for their allies, have been slain by Drona. Ansumat the ruler of the Bhojas, that mighty car-warrior at the head of his own forces, hath been despatched to Yama's abode by Drona exerting himself with great prowess."

"Brothers Rochamana, like two brilliant planets, have together been despatched to heaven by Drona with his shafts. Many other kings, O monarch, endued with great prowess, have fought (for the Pandavas) Having achieved the most difficult feats, all of them have gone to Yama's abode. Purujit and Kuntibhoja, the two maternal uncles of Savyasaci, have been despatched by Drona with shafts to such regions as are attained by death in battle."

"The Pancala prince Mitravarman, O Bharata, those two foremost of bowmen, have been despatched to Yama's abode by Drona. The two heroes Sucitra and Citravarman, who were sire and son and endued with great might, and who careered fearlessly in battle, have been slain by Drona. Vardhakshemi, O monarch, who was like the ocean at full tide, having had his weapons exhausted in battle, hath at last obtained undisturbed peace."

"Similarly, the heroic Satyadhriti, endued with great prowess, having made a great slaughter in battle for the sake of the Pandavas, has been despatched to Yama's abode. That lord of Earth, viz., Suketu, the son of Shishupala, having slain many foes, hath at last been slain by Drona in battle. Virata's son Sankha, as also Uttara of great strength, having accomplished the most difficult feats, have repaired to Yama's abode. Similarly, Satyadhriti of the Matsyas, and Madiraswa of great energy, and Suryadatta possessed of great prowess, have all been slain by Drona with his shafts."

"Vasudana also, having made an immense carnage in battle, has been despatched to Yama's abode by Bharadwaja's son exerting himself with great prowess. These and many other mighty car-warriors of the Pandavas have been slain by Drona exerting himself with great energy."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08006.htm

True Logic; karna has never ever slain more than a couple thousand men, so this BS of him having slaughtered a greater number than Drona or Bhishma is clearly false.

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4) Krishna called Yudhisthir the only man worthy to defeat Shalya. Even though Satyaki, Arjuna, Dhrishtadyumn, Bheem are all still alive, hanuman/shiva were walking on earth at that time period as well.

Quote;

"In battle, he is superior in might to Shikhandi and Arjuna and Bhima and Satyaki and Dhrishtadyumna, O Bharata. The king of the Madras, O monarch, endued with the prowess of a lion or an elephant, will career fearlessly in battle like the Destroyer himself in wrath amongst creatures at the time of the universal destruction. I do not behold a match for him in battle save thee, O tiger among men, that art possessed of prowess equal to that of a tiger. Save thee there is no other person in either heaven or the whole of this world, who, O son of Kuru's race, would be able to slay the ruler of the Madras while excited with wrath in battle."

Chapter: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09007.htm

In the same above link/source Krishna even mentioned [start quote] "He is accomplished, conversant with all the modes of warfare, and possessed of great lightness of hand. I think that the ruler of the Madras is in battle equal to Bhishma or Drona or Karna, or perhaps, superior to them. I do not, O ruler of men, even upon reflection, find the warrior who may be a match for Shalya while engaged in fight." [end quote]

5) Bheem according to Krishna on the 14th night had slain multiple raksasas in his life that were equal to Ravan:

[begin quote] "Hidimva and Vaka and Kirmira have all been slain by Bhimasena. All those Rakshasas were endued with might equal to that Ravana and all of them were destroyers of Brahmanas and sacrifice." [end quote]

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07178.htm

Logic - thus Krishna is claiming that Bheem slew more than 3 Ravans in his life, while shri Ram took 7 days and could barely slay 1 Ravan fairly.

6) As per Gandhari none of the kaurava brother's ever retreated from any battle.

Quote:::

"Alas, a century of sons, heroes that never retreated from battle, belonging to this son of thine, this king of great intelligence and great prosperity, has been slain in battle. The hundred wives of those sons are all grieving and repeatedly enhancing the grief of both the king and myself. O great ascetic, stricken by that great slaughter, they have gathered round me."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m15/m15029.htm

Logic - that would imply and mean that the kauravs did not run from bheem, drupad in guru dakshina, or anyother enemy in a battle. So even Satyaki did not make Duhsasan retreat from the field in the 14th day, or Abhimanyu never made Suyodhana retreat in a fight.

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Other possible explanations:

A - Whenever Ravan praised Hanuman either he was mocking the vanar or just joking, trying to

So if bheem, ram, ravan any individual praised our gandu pawan pootr hanutati jee then it is a meangingless incident/quote.

So basically whenever the king of lanka Ravana made a claim that our prabhu HanutatiJee was more powerful than real men like Wali, kings like Sugriva, mards like Neela, brave tiger's like Angada, then it is clear that Ravan was exaggerating the power of weak Hanuman.

No one should degrade the might of vanars like Sandhaman, Dwividha, Mainda just cause those three were better than gandu Hanuman in the art of fighting & military science.

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Vanars that boasted in Ramayan (they thought they could beat Ravan).

1) Kanda: "He has a very long hair-coppery, yellow, pale and white and hideous to cook upon- thrown about on his tail is the intrepid and fierceful monkey called Kanda. He yearns to fight and boasts that he can destroy Lanka with his forces."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga26/yuddha_26_frame.htm

2) Shatabali: "He who stands in the middle is the powerful leader of the monkeys who ever faces the sun, who is a wise man, eager to conquer you and is famous in the world by the name, Shatabali. He swears to destroy Lanka with his troops. This Shatabali the monkey is courageous, strong, valiant and is established in his manliness."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga27/yuddha_27_frame.htm

Conclusion: All the times Hanumana barked, brayed, farted like a donkey/gadha is irrelevant nothing he says matters, as self-praise and praise of others, boasts dont matter, only performance does. Our Hanutati lost.

These 2 vanar's didn't do anything in the war, they are not even mentioned fighting the foot soldiers who defeated Hanuman, so how does hanutati's boast of him being better than Kumbhakarna mean anything?

Kumbhkarn defeated hanuman multiple time's and beat him to near death.

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You all consider hanutati to be a god, so maybe consider his word once in awhile.

Hanutati said he is the weakest ape in Sugriva's sena, that means no one else will be weaker than hanuman.

[he said]"No one in the vicinity of Sugreeva is inferior to me."[he finished the line]

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga39/sundara_39_frame.htm

Basic logic - Everyone close to king Sugriv would not be below hanutati's level of power

Hanutati claimed that dwividh and mainda were invincible, he finds no warrior including Ram and Laxman that can defeat them both.

The link and quote is in this source;

https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2021/11/putting-end-to-hanumana-topic-part-1.html

My claim of hanutati saying mainda/dwividh are both better warrior's than him has already been proven.

Also Hanutati accepts the power of Lanka Raj Kumar Aksa, if he were to continue charging his energy then Aksa would have slain Hanuman very easily but he was not at his full power.

Quoted text:

"If neglected, he would undoubtedly overpower me. His prowess is getting augmented in battle. The only option left out for me is to kill him now. It is not proper to neglect a spreading fire." [quote end's gandu hanuman fans cried]

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga47/sundara_47_frame.htm

Words of pavan putr hanutati himself;

"The earth with its oceans and mountains has been circumambulated clockwise many times by those monkeys, who are highly energetic and who follow the aerial path. In them, some of the monkeys are superior to me and some are even equal to me."

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga39/sundara_39_frame.htm

[hanutards after reading this be like]

"hum sab hijdey hai! hum sabh gandu kee tarav zindagi jee rahey vah! 😢😭😭😭😭😭😭" "hanuman jaisey hijdo koh aatma hatya kar leni chahiyeh!" ME AFTER SEEING THEIR REACTION;

🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁😁👍😎 celebrating the mrityu of napunsaks.