And i will prove why this is the truth.
- Incidents in Mahabharata that contradict this incident.
- Parasurama's curse for the Brahmastra's of brave Karna.
- Also then the curse of Karna is rendered invalid if this event happened. Because karna used brahmastra? Lmaooo what about the curse of Rama? Are the words of Karna's guru false?
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'Without much minding Dhritarashtra, the son of Vichitravirya who was about to ask of Partha, Karna said unto Dhritarashtra's son these words, cheering up the spirit of the assembled Kurus, 'Coming to know of the false pretence under which I obtained the Brahma weapon of old from Rama, the latter told me,--When thy hour will come thy memory will fail thee in respect of this weapon. Even for so great an offence I was cursed so lightly by that great Rishi, my preceptor. That great Rishi of fierce energy is capable of consuming even the entire Earth with her seas. By attention and personal bravery, I appeased his heart. I have that weapon with me still, and my period is not yet run. I am, therefore, fully competent (to win victory) Let the responsibility be mine.
Analysis: Karna's guru said that the Brahmastra will fail him in his time of need, when his last hour arrives. So how could this Brahmastra possibly have been able to destroy the chariot of a warrior like Arjuna. Why are Karna fans braying with this type of contradictory logic?
- Arjuna not being on his chariot during the 3rd day.
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Meanwhile, jumping down from his car, Partha, himself of massive and long arms, quickly ran on foot after that chief of Yadu's race possessed of massive and long arms, and seized him by his two hands.
Analysis: The text clearly says that Arjuna jumped down from his car and wasn't their. Where was it blasted? Was Bhishma's Brahmastra weak?
- Arjuna being off his chariot on the 9th day.
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Meanwhile, the mighty-armed Partha. quickly following Kesava behind, seized him by encircling him with his two arms. That best of male beings, viz., Krishna, of eyes like lotus petals, seized by Partha, still proceeded with great speed, bearing the latter away with him. The mighty Partha, that slayer of hostile heroes, however, forcibly catching hold of his legs, stopped Hrishikesa with great difficulty at the tenth step.
Analysis: Six days later Bhishma (the man that defeated Karnas guru Parasurama) had another opportunity but his Brahmastra proved to be useless. The text clearly says that Arjuna and Krishna were not on the chariot at that time. Krishna had taken off from their and gotten to the ground Arjuna had to seize a person on the ground on foot.
- Arjuna not being on his chariot during the 14th day to fight Kuru warriors. His horses were being fed water by Krishna.
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Although staying on the ground, and alone, he succeeded yet in baffling all those kings on their cars, like that one fault, avarice, destroying a host of accomplishments. The Kauravas, O king, applauded the highly wonderful prowess of Partha as also of Vasudeva, saying, 'What more wonderful incident hath ever taken place in this world, or will ever take place than this, viz., that Partha and Govinda, in course of battle, have unyoked their steeds? Displaying fierce energy on the field of battle and the greatest assurance, those best of men have inspired us with great thoughts.' Then Hrishikesa, of eyes like lotus-petals, smiling with the coolest assurance, as if, O Bharata, he was in the midst of an assembly of women (and not armed foes), after Arjuna had created in the field of battle that hall, made of arrows, led the steeds into it, in the very sight.
Analysis: Arjuna was fighting on foot. He was not on his chariot yet his chariot never blasted.
- Arjuna not being on his chariot during the 15th day to calm down Bhima.
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Arjuna and Vasudeva, both endued with great splendour, quickly alighting from their car, ran towards Bhima. Those two mighty men, diving into that energy born of the might of Aswatthaman's weapon, had resorted to the power of illusion. The fire of that weapon consumed them not, in consequence of their having laid aside their weapons, as also in consequence of the force of the Varuna weapon, and owing also to the energy possessed by themselves. Then Nara and Narayana, for the pacification of Narayana weapon, began p. 473 forcibly to drag Bhima and all his weapons.
Analysis: Arjuna was clearly not on his chariot when he dragged Bhima out of his chariot. So why didn't it blast? By this time Drona is dead so he already let loose his astras at Arjuna's chariot. nothing happened to the chariot.
- Arjuna not being on his chariot on the 17th day (to meet Yudhishthira).
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Then those two foremost of men, (Krishna and Arjuna), proceeding on their car, approached the king who was lying alone on his bed. Both of them, alighting from that car, worshipped the feet of king Yudhishthira the just. Beholding that bull of tigers among men safe and sound, the two Krishnas became filled with joy, like the twin Ashvinis on seeing Vasava.
Analysis: Krishna and Arjuna jumped off their car. It is clearly stated in the text above that they left the chariot. It never exploded. Tsk tsk.
- Arjuna not being on his chariot during the 18th day (after the death of Karna).
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O monarch, Kunti's brave son, the lord Yudhishthira, proceeded towards Samantapanchaka. King Duryodhana also, taking up his gigantic mace, wrathfully proceeded on foot with the Pandavas. While proceeding thus, armed with mace and clad in armour, the celestials in the welkin applauded him, saying, "Excellent, Excellent!"
Analysis: Arjuna was walking together with Duryodhana on the ground to witness the final encounter. This was after Karna died. Arjuna was not on his chariot. No burst no blast lol. Arjuna is among the Pandavas.
- Presence of Arjuna's chariot later on after the blasting.
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Then those two, viz., Krishna and the son of Pandu, ascended their car and proceeded on the journey, the loving friends engaged the while in delightful conversation. Unto Vasudeva seated on the car, Dhananjaya of great energy once more said these words, O chief of Bharata's race!
Analysis: The blasting was depicted in book 9 but over here in a quote from book 14 Arjuna still has the same chariot.
Conclusion: karna was killed fairly Arjuna's chariot never burs-ted, these facts cannot be denied, get over it.
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The text (of Shalya Parva section 62) says only the "top" of the vehicle was burnt, that is no big achievement at all. So even if it is not an interpolation then it is no mean feat, nothing to brag about and in no way a evidence for Karna's superiority.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09062.htm Such a magical incident defies logic and would not be present in a writing dedicated towards sacred history, where something can burn magically and disappear magically etc.
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After the high-souled Lord of all creatures had dismounted from that car, the celestial Ape that topped the mantle of Arjuna's vehicle, disappeared there and then. The top of the vehicle, which had before been burnt by Drona and Karna with their celestial weapons, quickly blazed forth to ashes, O king, without any visible fire having been in sight.Analysis:
The text (of Shalya Parva section 62) says only the "top" of the vehicle was burnt, that is no big achievement at all. So even if it is not an interpolation then it is no mean feat, nothing to brag about and in no way a evidence for Karna's superiority.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09062.htm Such a magical incident defies logic and would not be present in a writing dedicated towards sacred history, where something can burn magically and disappear magically etc.
Krishna also defeated karna. As Dhritarashtra (who is pro-Karna) mentions.
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Putting forth his prowess, #Madhava hurled unto the sea the Daitya city called Saubha, (moving) in the skies, protected by Salwa, and regarded as impregnable. The Angas, the Vangas, the Kalingas, the Magadhas, the Kasis, the Kosalas, the Vatsyas, the Gargyas, the Karushas and the Paundras,--all these he vanquished in battle. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07011.htm
Again he says all kings lose to Krishna
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We have never heard that there is any one among the kings who has not been vanquished by Krishna. That exceedingly wonderful feat also, O Sanjaya, which the lotus-eyed one performed in my court, who else is capable of performing it?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07011.htm
Here's another misconception, that Krishna loved Karna LOL.
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Janardana recollected Yudhishthira's word and addressed Sini's grandson Satyaki, seated near, saying, 'Let my car be made ready and let my conch and discus along with my mace, and quivers and darts and all kinds of weapons, offensive and defensive, be placed on it, for Duryodhana and Karna and Suvala's son are all of wicked souls, and foes, however contemptible, should never be disregarded by even a powerful person. Understanding the wishes p. 172 of Kesava, the wielder of the discus and the mace, his attendants immediately addressed themselves to yoke his car. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05083.htm
SO ACTUALLY KRISHNA CONSIDERED KARNA TO BE A WRETCH OF A SINFUL SOUL (atma).
About book 14, critical edition does not mention two chariots. Critical edition mention that Arjuna was also on Krishna's chariot. So there is no mention of Arjuna's divine chariot after it being burned down.
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