Saturday, May 26, 2018

Bhima vs Arjuna - a descriptive comparison.

Bhima and Arjuna despite being brothers have been compared to each other very often. Bhima while being a great warrior was never an invincible one (like Arjuna) instead he was a ordinary one who was capable of being defeated (like Karna).
For all of you people that believe Madhavacharya's Mahabharata commentary (Mahabaratha Tatparya Nirnaya) let me just say this, it was never written by Vyasa, the author (Madhava) claims to be alive (he was born in the 11th century and said he would live for over ten thousand years, yet it was has not even been half of that amount of time and he is clearly dead), his interpretation of the epic is clearly a later addition (interpolation) and turns the Mahabharata into mythology instead  of history (you can find numerous curses/boons in his commentary). Such an illogical interpretation is not superior to any of the interpretations (that are widely accepted as authentic) like Kmg, Bori ce, Gita Press etc.
And if you are talking about me using Madhavacharya's version, i only use his version when he contains something in his Mahabharata that is also in Kmg's translation and BORI's version/Debroy's translation. Let's be honest over here too, his interpretation degrades Bhima's character instead of uplifting it. It makes him a blind follower/devotee of Krishna, which he clearly was not.
In the authentic Mahabharata (when Krishna questioned Bhima's prowess in Udyoga Parva) then bhima lashed out at him and began to praise himself.
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'Thus addressed by Vasudeva, the ever-wrathful Bhima, incapable of bearing insults, was immediately awakened like a steed of high metal, and replied, without losing a moment, saying, 'O Achyuta, I wish to act in a particular way; thou, however, takest me in quite a different light. That I take great delight in war and that my prowess is incapable of being baffled, must, O Krishna. be well-known to p. 163 thee in consequence of our having lived together for a long time. Or it may be, thou knowest me not, like one swimming in a lake ignorant of its depth. It is for this that thou chidest me in such unbecoming words. Who else, O Madhava, knowing me to be Bhimasena, could address me with such unbecoming words as thou dost?
Analysis: This quote proves multiple things. One that Bhima and Krishna were companions (they had lived with each other for a very long time) not devotees/gods. Two, they would not hesitate to talk back to each other and utter anything disagreeable between themselves. So if Bhima was a blind follower/devotee then he would never disobey Krishna and feel insulted by him.
Sourcehttp://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05076.htm
Here are a few fan-fiction incidents in Madhavacharya's mahabharata

  • Bhima not snatching Karna's "sakti dart" because he knew about Krishna's plan to kill Ghatotkaca.
    • In actual mahabharata bhima cared for his son and protected him, he never knew about that weapon of Karna which would kill a singular opponent, and that his son Ghatotkatcha would be the victim.
  • Bhima doing a digvijaya (before the burning of the house of lac), defeating characters like Kichaka and Jarasandha (even before the birth of Ghatotkaca in "Adi Parva").
    • In actual Mahabharata bhima never has a single encounter with Jarasandha before the burning of the house of lac.
  • Bhima not breaking the Chakravyuha of the Kuru army on the 13th day, even though he supposedly had the capability to do so.
    • In actual Mahabharata bhima did not break their Chakravyuha because he simply did not have the competence necessary. He was not as powerful as Arjuna that he could achieve such a feat. He instead suffered a defeat at the hands of Jayadratha.
Here is the pathetic defeat of Bhima at the hands of Jayadratha on the 13th day.
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Marking that lightness of hands showed by Jayadratha, Bhima then with three broad-headed shafts, quickly felled on the earth his bow, standard and umbrella. The mighty Jayadratha then, taking up another bow, strung it and felled Bhima's standard and bow and steeds. O sire! His bow cut off, Bhimasena then jumping down from that excellent car whose steeds had been slain, mounted on the car of Satyaki, like a lion jumping to the top of a mountain. Seeing this, thy troops were filled with joy.
Analysis: Look in the whole chapter, nowhere is it stated that he "willingly" lost. That he "could have" won. Also Bhima had to flee and lost his chariot/bow, such things have never happened to Arjuna where he lost a bow and a chariot at the same time, and was forced to seek the help of a comrade. Jayadratha's reaction speed, striking speed, and skill was superior to Bhima's.
  • Bhima letting Arjuna become the best student of Drona.
    • In actual mahabharata bhima never "allowed" something to happen, he is not the type to sit and relax, stand by and do nothing as another person does something that he "could have" done.
This is what happened.
Quote:
Arjuna, however, from devotion to the science of arms, always stayed by the side of his preceptor, and in skill, strength of arms, and perseverance, excelled all (his class-fellows). Indeed, although the instruction the preceptor gave, was the same in the case of all, yet in lightness and skill Arjuna became the foremost of all his fellow-pupils.
Analysis:
Clearly the text states that Arjuna received the same education that everyone else (including his brother Bhima) did, yet still Arjuna came out on the top as he learned the most. He was a better learned than Bhima.
  • Bhima lost to Karna on purpose and pretended to be defeated because of Karna's boon from Parasurama.
    • In actual Mahabharata Bhima was never the type of guy to willingly lose a fight against his enemy just because that teacher promised the student that he will be invincible with a certain bow. "Bhima would break rather than bowdown" (duryodhana to kripa in Salya Parva).

Bhima in-fact has the most amount of defeats and retreats in the epic Mahabharata (after Karna). Even karna fans (like Niraj Sharma) have agreed with the fact that Arjuna is superior to Bhima. Here is the screenshot below to prove my claim.
Bhima is not better than Arjuna in any aspects, not as a person, and not as a fighter. The boon of Shiva also excludes Arjuna, thus proving his superiority (not only over Bhima but also Shiva - my views). And this is proof of a Karna fan agreeing with me (at the very least on Arjuna being superior to Bhima).

  • Arjuna was also physically stronger than Bhima, it's just that he is not known for his physical strength as much because he was better in archery. Just like Bhima is not known for archery (as much as he is known for his physical strength).
    • 1st proof - Arjuna holds Bhima in Sabha Parva.
Kmg version
Quote:
Bound by the ties of virtue and the reverence that is due to our eldest brother, and repeatedly urged by Arjuna to remain silent, I am not doing anything terrible.
Analysis: Bhima said that Arjuna urged him to remain silent, yet Bhima still spoke.... So he contradicted himself. But Bhima included Arjuna as a reason for him not doing anything in the Sabha.
Debroy version
Screenshot
Analysis:
Over here it is clearly stated that bhima was "restrained" by Arjuna. Signifying the superior strength/capability of Arjuna over Bhima. Whether or not he was using force to restrain Bhima is debatable.
Definition of "restrained" - kept under control; prevented from freedom of movement or action. https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=pRsJW8bVL4zEjwP7lLD4BA&q=define+restrained&oq=define+restrained&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1l9.3658.11929.0.12615.19.16.0.0.0.0.1104.5216.3j5j1j1j1j2j1j1.16.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..3.16.5843.6..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1.630.ffwV7bUhEvE By the way Shalya also told Karna (in the Bori Ce text of Debroy) that if he "restrains" Bhima then he will get Arjuna to fight him. So restrain may be the use of force.
    • 2nd proof - Arjuna's arms were stronger than Bhima's
Quote:
Arjuna, however, from devotion to the science of arms, always stayed by the side of his preceptor, and in skill, strength of arms, and perseverance, excelled all (his class-fellows).
Analysis: Bhima would also be included among the students of Drona, and it is stated that Arjuna surpassed him and exceeded the strength of every disciple.
  • Arjuna killed 1 million Gandharvas but bhima could barely kill 100s of them in Ghosha Yatra.
Proof (screenshot of BORI Mahabharata, translated by Bibek Debroy).

  • Arjuna protected Drona when no one else (not even Bhima & Yudhishthira) had chosen to.
Quote:
And when Drona had plunged into the stream, a strong alligator, sent as it were, by Death himself seized him by the thigh. And though himself quite capable, Drona in a seeming hurry asked his pupil to rescue him. And he said, 'O, kill this monster and rescue me.' Contemporaneously with this speech, Vibhatsu (Arjuna) struck the monster within the water with five sharp arrows irresistible in their course, while the other pupils stood confounded, each at his place. Beholding Arjuna's readiness, Drona considered him to be the foremost of all his pupils, and became highly pleased.
Analysis: The text clearly says "while the other pupils stood confounded, each at his place." These other pupils would include Bhima, Karna, Duryodhana, Aswathama, Yudhishthira also. So Arjuna helped Drona when even his own son Aswathama would not and when Bhima would not.


Misconception, Arjuna won the war post the Swayamvara because he was protected by Bhima, thus proving Bhima's superiority.
    • Know that Arjuna had to fight off karna, and that Arjuna was group attacked by multiple adversaries (which is why Bhima had to support him).
      • Let us not forget that Arjuna was using the method of bow/arrow to fight, which takes up a lot more time in comparison to bhima's methods in that incident.
        • Arjuna was fighting the same Karna that would defeat, swoon and spare Bhima in the kurukshetra war.
      • Bhima's methods were basically hand to hand combat over their, his reach and speed were also supported by the tree that he lifted up to combat Kshatriyas.
        • Most of the warriors that Bhima fought were no challenge for Arjuna. Bhima was fighting canon fodder.
      • Whenever this incident is talked about (in the Mahabharata text) then it is always Arjuna who gets most of the attention and praise, not Bhima.
I hope that Bhima fans will not start to copy karna fans now and i will have to say "just like karna fans, bhima fans often make their claims on the basis of fan-fiction, to put it simply these things never happened. Bhima never defeated Shiva in a authentic scripture/source, Bhima never pretended to lose a fight, Arjuna was not trembling when Jarasandha was making a choice on who he should select to wrestle."
And if you believe in the adulterated, illogical, mythical narrative of Svargarohanika Parva then you will also have to believe that Arjuna went to heaven fourth before Bhima on that trip.

37 comments:

  1. Arjuna and Bhima had a very high regard for each other. Bhima was much better in close combat, whereas Arjuna was a peerless archer. During the Karna Parva, when Yudhistira insulted Arjuna, Arjuna retorted that only Bhima using such words are acceptable. Bhima was extremely powerful. He was one of the best warriors of the Mahabharata.
    They respected each other. Let us respect both of them

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    1. Bhima is a chutiya and a napunsak like reeb reeb mahanta and narendra modi lol.

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    2. Your name is Anuj Pratap Singh and you are the same idiot who shows respect to Hanuman, sadhguru & a namard like bheeshma you even bray like a donkey for the izzat of a bhuzdil named "Ajit Vadakayil"
      In what way can you possibly be ackowledged as a debater of repute when you give respect to those that should be disrespected and insulted?

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    3. what a fucking coward, you think of all people bheem was better than arjuna in close combat even though arjuna won against 8 forms of shiva and held back krishna in close combat

      even though arjuna lifted weapons that karna and jarasandha failed to do, even though arjuna used a fire torch to defeat a gandharva emperor

      but then again i shouldnt be surprised you are the SAME IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT BHISHMA SHOULD BE RESPECTED a short dick farting bitch like him doesnt deserve respect

      bhishma lost to bheema who lost to kritvarma who lost to satyaki who lost to bhurishravas who lost to arjuna

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    4. Shut up Atharva Walia. Do you really think that Imran Khan is a good politician?

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    5. YES i do because imran chooses to fart on ugly people like hanuman, and imran was at least a good athlete, unlike modi who is only good at eating ladoos and farting to defend the honor of a napunsak like bhishma, and then he spits on bhishma's mother ganga to POLLUTE HER like the kutti she is.

      I believe only alpha males like Imran Khan deserve respect, not lund choosers, or choosnewalis. Imran is my role model for supporting dawood.

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  2. Yudhishthir admitted they were alive because of Arjuna's strong arms nto Bhima's:
    "He, relying upon the MIGHT OF WHOSE ARMS all of us are alive, that slayer of hostile armies, Phalguna, by good luck, liveth still."
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07124.htm

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    1. Kirshna said bhima was the strongest warrior in Kurukshetra he never said arjuna was the strongest not only Krishna, Balarama , kunti, karna, duryodhan, arjuna, Dhritarashtra, Yudhishthira all admitted bhima was the strongest and bhima was more feared by kauravas than even arjuna

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    2. Krishna said Shalya is the strongest warrior too. Relying on statements is stupid but i have quotes of
      1) Karna saying Arjuna is the strongest
      2) Shiva saying Arjuna is the strongest
      3) Krishna saying Arjuna is the strongest
      4) Yudhishthira saying Arjuna is the strongest
      5) Duryodhana saying Arjuna is the strongest
      All these quotes are always going to be ignored due to biased fanclubs

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    3. There is difference between saying someone is strong and saying someone is the strongest among others. Your examples fall under the first type. Bhima was the strongest as per his two greatest rivals, Jarasandha and Duryodhana. Jarasandha says Arjuna is a kid to fight with him. If you have quotes, I too have more of them in support of Bhima. However, you seem to be a fanatic. Fanatics can never be satisfied with facts. For me, all pandavas are not just great but worthy of worship. But who is the mightiest among them? Both rivals of Bhima and his wellwishers would acknowledge that it is Bhima alone.

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    4. THeirs no point in debating when you will refuse to see the clear facts. Jarasandha did not call Bhima the strongest in any way he did not call Arjuna a little kid. Arjuna lifted the bow (weapon) that Jarasandh failed to yet you as a Bhima fanatic will refuse to see this fact too.

      Jarasandha chose Bhima over Krishna too not just Arjuna the reason was due to his looks, height, muscle mass, he never considered Arjuna a kid, because Arjuna was almost as tall as Bhima.

      Duryodhan was not Bhima's rival because they didnt have a single fight pre-kurukshetra war, their only battle was in childhood. Krishna, Shiva, Karna, Yudhishthir, these people acknowledged Arjuna's strength.

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  4. Draupadi was a incarnation of laxmi.
    1) "The sons of Pandu endued with great strength, after their wedding were over, and after they had obtained Krishna like unto a second Sri along with great wealth, passed their days in joy and happiness."
    https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01201.htm
    2) "He also beheld the princess of Pancala, decked in garlands of lotuses. Having attained to Heaven, she was sitting there, endued with a form possessed of solar splendour. King Yudhishthira suddenly wished to question her. Then the illustrious Indra, the chief of the gods, spoke to him, This one is Sree herself. It was for your sake that she took birth, as the daughter of Drupada, among human beings, issuing not from any mother’s womb, O Yudhishthira, endued with agreeable perfume and capable of delighting the whole world. For your pleasure, she was created by the wielder of the trident. She was born in the race of Drupada and was enjoyed by you all. These five highly blessed Gandharvas endued with the effulgence of fire, and possessed of great energy, were, O king, the sons of Draupadi and yourself."
    https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m18/m18004.htm
    3) "Thus, O king, they who have been born as the Pandavas are none else than those Indras of old. And the celestial Sri herself who had been appointed as their wife is this Draupadi of extraordinary beauty. How could she whose effulgence is like that of the sun or the moon, whose fragrance spreads for two miles around, take her birth in any other than an extraordinary way, viz., from within the earth, by virtue of the sacrificial rites? Unto thee, O king, I cheerfully grant this other boon in the form of spiritual sight. Behold now the sons of Kunti endued with their sacred and celestial bodies of old!"
    https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01200.htm

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  5. Arjuna is the all over best and true warrior

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    1. Yes but Bhagdatt and Drona deserve to be placed at 2nd and 3rd spots after Arjun.

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  6. Bhima defeated Karna 7 times in a single day and you say he is an ordinary warrior? Come on. Read the original Mahabharata and not some comic books. Bhima also defeated Ashwatthama. Please check Vyasa Bharata original verses. The only reason why Bhima didn't kill Karna was that he wanted Arjuna to fulfill his vow. This is also mentioned in clear terms in the Mahabharata. Bhima was physically the strongest man not just among Pandavas but in the world. This is said by Duryodhana himself when Keechaka was killed. He suspects that this may have been done by Bhima who is the first among the five strongest men of the world. This is what he says! Jarasandha calls Arjuna a kid when it comes to fighting him and says that only Bhima can match him. What more do you want than your greatest rivals acknowledge you.

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    1. Points against you:
      1) Karna was defeated by even foot soldiers so him losing to Bheem does not give Bheem any brownie points. Bheem lost to the same karna many times. And thats more shameful.

      2) Jarasandh never said Arjuna was a little kid, he ignored Krishna too as an opponent, he only looked at his opponents size and judged them. You are insulting Arjuna for no other reason besides the fact that Bheem never proved his physical strength as being superior to others.

      3) I have read Mahabharat in many formats whether it be kmg, sanskrit or bori.

      4) Ashwathama was defeated by Dhrishtadyumna once too why does it matter if bheem ever defeated this warrior?

      5) Duryodhan praised karna too, why do Duryodhans words matter? You forgot he believed in the same karna who said arjuna is tougher in strength.

      6) How is Duryodhan a rival of Bhima when he never defeated Bhima before Kurukshetra war? Him praising bhima in virat parva when he never fought bhima until kurukshetra is meaningless.

      NOW i know you will most likely respond with either frustration, insults, folklores, make beliefe statements, you will ignore my points, or you will do something else, and my response to you will be another insult because like hanutards (bhakts of namard hanuman) bhishma fans (bhakts of bhishma) karna tards (people who breathe for namard karna) you also cannot admit that your hero (bhima) was weak infront of arjuna.

      You might call me an arjuna fan or tard or bhakt, but the reality is that i am a fan of only sisupal, satyaki and jayadrath. I praise arjuna because he was the strongest, i have no interest in dharam or adharm i just understood that the same hanuman, shiva, krishna, ram who people worship were weak infront of arjuna, none of them can beat 30 million nivatkavachas but arjuna can.

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  7. More points for Arjuna > Bhima:
    1. Arjuna lifted the bow Jarasandh, Karna, Duryodhan, Shalya could not lift.
    2. Arjuna could shoot arrows at a length of 2 miles.
    3. Arjuna defeated 8 forms of Shiva in Kirata Parva.
    4. Arjuna led a victorious campaign against the kingdoms of the Himalayan region.
    5. Arjuna had the maace of Yama & was trained in its usage by him.
    6. Arjuna held Krishna back twice from killing Bhishma.
    7. Arjuna trained warriors like Pradyumna, Satyaki, Abhimanyu, Samba, Aniruddha but Bhima & Karna never trained anyone.
    8. Bhishma on the other hand gets held in check by buddha chirkut Bhishma, dragged by namard Karna, taunted by napunsak hanuman who would get his ass kicked by even ravan's youngest child aksa kumar.

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  8. Kritvarma defeated Bhima who defeated Karna who defeated Yudhisthir who defeated Suyodhan who defeated Bhima who in turn defeated Bheeshma who also defeated Parashuram who defeated Sahastrarjun who defeated Indra who defeated Hanuman.
    Ranking of fighters:
    1st - Kritvarma
    2nd - Bhima
    3rd - Karna
    4th - Bheeshma
    5th - Yudhisthir
    6th - Suyodhan
    7th - Parashuram
    8th - Sahastrarjun
    9th - Indra
    10th - Hanuman
    Strongest = Kritvarma
    Weakest = Hanuman

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  9. and karn was never defeated by a foot soilder

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    1. karna was defeated on the 14th night by a foot soldier, in the war against drupad multiple foot soldiers ganged up on karna and slapped him, then another foot soldier kicked karnas fat ass on the 17th morning

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  10. duryodhan who was a maharathi was rival of bhima as he was known as the protecter of all pandavas because he used to protect all his brother alone.

    bhima also killed many mayavi asuras like hidim, bakasur etc.

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    1. bhima defeated bhishma but bhima lost to duryodhan that makes DURYODHAN BETTER THAN BHISHMA, PARASHURAM etc
      Bhima never protected Arjuna though, he only protected pajeet yudhisthir, bacha sahadev, and mard nakul

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  11. he also defeated many wariors like bhishma 4 times on 5,6,7 day,
    drona 6 time he also broke his many charriots on 8,9,12,13 day,
    karn 7 times on 11,14,15,16 day,duryodhan 4 times on 2,5,12,14 day,
    and also all the kaurava brothers alone

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    1. im a karna hater but the fact is bhima defeated karna on day 14, night 14, day 17, rajsooyam only NOT ON DAY 11

      bhima defeating duryodhan is not impressive even Yudhamanyu and Uttamouja did that

      Bhima defeated Drona only 2 times but Dronas victory seems far more impressive on the 13th morning and 14th night Drona proved he is a better archer and chariot-fighter

      Bhima defeated Bhishma only 1 time but same namard Bhishma defeated Bheem twice in archery

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    2. and i think you remind me of another SPAMMER who keeps farting, bitching, moaning, and braying like a typical napunsak, you posted four other comments on this same blog cause YOU FAIL TO KEEP EVERYTHING in one post
      hold this L
      pajeet of india fails against mard of india

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    1. aap jaisey kuttey kay liye to shahid mera lund prayapt hoga :)

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  13. And Krishna told that Duryodhan can defeat all Pandava brothers together including Arjun alone in mace fight.

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    1. Duryodhan was more powerful than bhosdi hanuman as per Vyas, Krishna, and all mards and shers this HANUTATI WAS A LOSER!

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  14. And Krishna told that only Bhima was of his match

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    1. in my opinion u should BUY A TOILET first then read Mahabharat & Ramayan to find out who was a match for who

      how brave men like susharma farted on namards like hanuman and karna begged a foot soldier's dick for daya BHEEK and mercy

      how kripa could fuck parshupussy (parashuram) in the ass with his 10 THOUSAND arrow's anyday

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  15. you shut up i think you don't know so much about ramayan and Mahabharata

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