- Description of banners
Quote:
With numerous banners all waving, with steeds looking handsome like a flight of (white) cranes, with standard upraised on which was the ape roaring fiercely, upon his large car of solar effulgence and whose rattle resembled roar of the clouds, slaughtering the Kaurava divisions and the Surasenas also, the son of Pandu, that enhancer of the joys of friends speedily came to the encounter.Analysis: This just shows that the ape was roaring, not that it was Hanuman. As a matter of fact the roar of the ape had no impact on the Kuru/kourava army that day.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06052.htm
2nd day
No mention of the ape, smh.
3rd day
Still no ape, no Hanuman.
4th day
- First time the Kuru warriors are affected? Sanjaya mentions the ape days later.
Quote:
Pervaded by diverse kinds of forces possessed of great strength, and having in its wings elephants, steeds, infantry, and cars in profusion, that array the high-souled (Arjuna) having the prince of apes on his banner beheld from a distance to resemble a mighty mass of clouds. 3 That high-souled hero, that bull among men, upon his car furnished with tall standard and unto which were yoked white steeds, at the head of his (own) division and surrounded by a mighty force, proceeded against the whole hostile army. And all the Kauravas with thy sons, beholding that ape-bannered (warrior) with his excellent standard and handsome car-shaft wrapped (in costly cover), accompanied by that bull p. 156 of Yadu's race, his charioteer in battle, were filled with dismay.Analysis: The test says that they were dismayed only because of Arjuna not the ape. So this is just another mention of the ape, it is called a "prince". Definition of dismay "consternation and distress, typically that caused by something unexpected. cause (someone) to feel consternation and distress."
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06060.htm
- The apes meeting with Bhisma
Quote:
And that high-souled warrior having the prince of apes on his banner, of feats incapable of being borne, then poured in return upon Bhishma, that best of all wielders of bows a shower of sharp-edged arrows and polished shafts of broad heads. And so thy troops also beheld that shower of mighty weapons shot by him who had the prince of apes on his banner, opposed and dispersed by Bhishma like the maker of day dispelling (the gloom of night).Analysis:
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06060.htm
5th day
No mention of the ape at all, even though it was a pretty long day in the war. Was the battle incomplete without the ape?
6th day
Perhaps Arjuna did not have that great of a role during this day, which is why a decent excuse can be made for the lack of the great ape's mention in the kurukshetra war.
7th day
- The ape returns
Quote:
Then the mighty Bhishma, the son of Santanu, (thus rushing to battle), speedily came upon Arjuna of Bharata's race who also had been coming towards him, on his exceedingly resplendent and large car unto which were yoked white steeds and upon which was set up his standard bearing the fierce ape, and whose rattle resembled the deep roll of the clouds. And thy entire army, beholding the diadem-decked Dhananjaya, thus coming to battle, uttered, from fear, many loud exclamations.Analysis: After twenty three chapters it (the ape) makes a grand return, but once again achieved nothing. So far it is consistent in not being a participant, in not having any contribution to Mahabharata at all. The text states that the Kaurava army was scared of Dhanajaya (aka Arjuna) not the ape on his banner.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06083.htm
8th day
This was supposedly the day that Arjuna's eldest son "Iravat" died, and the day that Hanuman's brother "Bhima" killed more of the Kourava brothers/sons of Dhritarashtra, but yet no mention of the ape on Arjuna's banner was made this day by Sanjaya...
9th day
Once again, no mention of the ape here either. On this very day Hanumanji's prabhu "Sri Ram"'s avatar/incarnation "Krishna" had taken up arms against Bhisma, yet still no mention of any ape this day was narrated.
10th day
- Drona talks about the ape (he mentioned the ape at-least once).
Quote:
Go to battle, keeping heaven before thee, and for the sake of fame and victory. There, the ape-bannered (Arjuna) crosseth on his car the river of battle that is awful and incapable of being easily crossed, and hath cars, elephants, and steeds, for its eddies.Analysis: No special mention was even given to the ape, just the fact it was on the banner of Arjuna's chariot, that's it.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06113.htm
- Sanjaya mentions the ape during the Bhisma vs Pandavas match.
Quote:
Supported by the Chedis and the Panchalas, the ape-bannered Arjuna, placing Sikhandin ahead, proceeded towards Bhishma, the son of Santanu.Analysis: Once again just ape on the banner that's it.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06116.htm
- Next mention of the ape
Quote:
Then those Kshatriyas, O monarch, afflicted with those arrows with their tall standards torn and overthrown, could not even together, approach the ape-bannered (Partha).Analysis: Just the fact that the ape was on the banner, it's basically repeating the same thing again and again, again and again. Sanjaya could not come up with anything new to say about the ape.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06118.htm
- Ape associated with the banner
Quote:
Thus urged, the ape-bannered Arjuna at that moment made Bhishma with his car, steeds, and standard, invisible by means of his arrows.Analysis: At this point it's just redundant and useless. Same thing as before.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06119.htm
- While in pain Bhisma speaks about the ape.
Quote:
Save the heroic wielder of Gandiva, viz., the ape-bannered Jishnu, even all other kings united together cannot cause me pain.Analysis: Time knows why Bhisma continues to call Arjuna as "the ape-bannered"?
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06120.htm
11th day
During this day their was no mention of the ape on Arjuna's chariot.
12th day
- During the encounter with Sudhanwan
Quote:
Partha, having the excellent ape-device on his banner, pierced all of them in return with many arrows, and also cut off, with some broad-headed shafts, their standards made of gold.
Analysis: the ape is mentioned but the ape did not do anything, it was basically just their as a non factor. It is stated that arjuna (Partha) pierced them all.
- Arjuna turning back
Quote:
Desirous of alone slaughtering in battle thousands of car-warriors, Indra's son (Arjuna) having the foremost of apes on banner, suddenly turned back. Even this was what both Duryodhana and Karna had thought of for achieving the slaughter of Arjuna.
Analysis: "turning back" this does not mean that Arjuna was defeated or running away/avoiding confrontation in the war, it means that he turned back to confront the enemy again. The text clearly says that Arjuna wanted to kill thousands of Rathas (car warriors). Read the text of page 63 (in Drona Parva) completely.
- Sanjaya's description of the ape
Quote:
Possessed of great fame and endued as he was with the energy of the Sun himself, Arjuna's emblem, viz., his banner bearing the ape, was beheld by us to blaze with splendour.
Analysis:
It was just a really shiny piece of art, big deal. No hints towards the ape being Hanuman.
13th day
Quote:
Beholding his brothers and sons, the ape-bannered Arjuna became very cheerless.Analysis: Lol it seems like the man who has an ape on his chariot (that makes all of his foes/opponents cheerless) has become cheerless himself.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07069.htm
14th day
- Dhritarashtra calls it the prince of apes
Quote:
Beholding that warrior having the prince of apes on his banner, that hero grieved on account of his son's death shaking his gigantic bow in battle, what did my warrior do?
Analysis: Even some ordinary elephants are called prince of elephants. And being a prince is no evidence of that ape being Hanuman, as he has never been called Hanuman in the whole entire epic.
- Next mention
Quote:
And the ape on Arjuna's banner, opening his mouth wide, made an awful noise with the other creatures on it, for terrifying thy troops. Then conchs and horns and cymbals and Anakas were once more blown and beat for cheering thy warriors.
Analysis: This quote suggests that their were more creatures sitting on Arjuna's chariot besides the ape, one can only imagine what the strength of the horses that pulled the chariot of Arjuna must be then, to pull so many animals and warriors together is no easy task. But this text only says for terrifying the troops not that any of the troops were terrified.
- Sight of the ape makes Kauravas cheerless
Quote:
Many warriors, beholding the car whose rattle resembled the roar of clouds, and which was equipped with that terrible standard bearing the ape and whose banner floated upon the wind, became exceedingly cheerless.
Analysis: The banner is linked to the word "wind", but however this cannot be used to say that the ape was the son of the wind god (Pavana).
- Clash with the lion tail of Aswathama's flag
Quote:
Those banners, again, moved by the wind, looked like fair ladies dancing in the midst of a sporting arena. Endued with the splendour of the rainbow, those banners, O bull of Bharata's race, of those car-warriors, floating in the breeze, highly adorned their cars. The standard, bearing the sign of the ape of fierce face and tail, like that of the lion, belonging to Dhananjaya, seemed to inspire fear in that battle. That standard, O king of the wielder of Gandiva, bearing that foremost of apes, and adorned with many banners, frightened the Kuru host. Similarly, the lion-tail standard-top of Drona's son, O Bharata, we saw, was endued with the effulgence of the rising sun Decked with gold, floating in the breeze, possessed of the splendour of the rainbow, the standard mark of Drona's son appeared on high, inspiring the foremost of Kuru warriors with joy.
Analysis: It seems like Aswathama (son of Drona) had a perfect animal/beast to counter the ape on Arjuna's chariot. Is it not possible that every major warrior had a banner just like Arjuna did? What was so special about the ape on Arjuna's banner? That it frightened his enemies? That it roared? The banner of Arjuna over here was comapfred to fair skinned women dancing in a sporting arena.
- The ape cannot be seen
Quote:
Not seeing that tiger among men viz., the ape-bannered Arjuna, and not hearing also the twang of Gandiva, the monarch became filled with anxiety, not seeing Satyaki also, that foremost of car-warriors among the Vrishnis, king Yudhishthira the Just became equally anxious.
Analysis: Since Arjuna was so far away none of the Pandava warriors (including their king Yudhishthira) could see the ape on his flag.
- Karna blames Arjuna's resources as the cause for his victory on the fourteenth day
Quote:
Armed with celestial weapons and mounted on his ape-bannered car, the reins of whose steeds again were in the hands of Krishna, cased in impenetrable armour, and taking his celestial bow Gandiva of unfading might, the valiant Arjuna, scattering keen arrows, and proud of the strength of his arms, transgressed Drona. There is nothing to wonder at this.
Analysis: As we all know "losers" always come up with excuses to hide their defeats, they are shameless bores that hide their heads under mud.
14th night
The ape was not mentioned in the thirty plus chapters covering Ghatotkaca's death, no ape means no Hanuman interference during the war that night.
- Perhaps the ape was taking a nap.
- Or maybe, just maybe the ape could not be seen because it was a night battle/nocturnal battle in the hours of darkness.
- But then what about when Drona/Duryodhana ordered torches to be lit next to each chariot so that light could be their? Huh?
- Even then their was no sign of the ape was seen, was hanuman afraid of darkness?
15th day
Surprisingly even during the day of Drona's death still no ape is mentioned and neither is Hanuman mentioned. In such a key important incident of the war Hanuman was not their, the ape had no role, no contribution at all, he was not even mentioned. No involvement of the ape whatsoever.
16th day
On the 16th day the ape was never mentioned, surprisingly. Where was Hanuman on the 16th day of the Kurukshetra war? Where was he? Was he veer? I mean i pressed "control F" so many multiple times and did not find any hanuman/ape mentioned during sections 1 to 30.
17th day
- Shalya talks about the ape
Quote:
Behold the heroic son of Kunti, the unvanquished Vibhatsu (Arjuna) with that foremost of apes on his standard, advancing for the destruction of the foe. There, on the top of Partha's standard, is to be seen that terrible ape, that enhancer of the fears of foes, attracting the gaze (of warriors) from every side.
Analysis: The ape is always talked about. It is said to enhance the fear of the enemy and attract the attention of warriors from both sides.
- The ape roars
Quote:
Then Susharma, piercing Partha with ten shafts, struck Janardana with three in the right arm. With a broad-headed arrow then, O sire, he pierced the standard of Arjuna. Thereupon that foremost of apes, of huge dimensions, the handiwork of the celestial artificer himself, began to utter loud sounds and roared very fiercely, affrighting thy troops. Hearing the roars of the ape, thy army became inspired with fear. Indeed, under the influence of a great fear, that army became perfectly inactive. That army then, as it stood inactive, O king, looked beautiful like the Citraratha forest with its flowery burthen of diverse kinds. Then those warriors, recovering their senses, O chief of the Kurus, began to drench Arjuna with their arrowy downpours like the clouds drenching the mountains.
Analysis:
This makes it obvious that their was a real ape sitting on the chariot of Arjuna, as the ape roared, and due to this roar several car warriors of the Kourava army had lost their senses. Over here the ape may be called foremost of apes, but the foremost ape title belongs to Angada, Sugriva, Mainda, Dwivida etc as they were kings of the Vanara race. Even here the ape is called "handiwork" of Viswakarman.
- Sanjaya describes the ape
Quote:
That ape-bannered car, the clatter of whose wheels resembled the deep roar of the clouds and whose flags waved in the air, penetrated into the host like a celestial car passing through the welkin. Keshava and Arjuna, filled with rage, and with eyes red as blood, as they penetrated, piercing through thy vast host, looked exceedingly resplendent in their splendour.
Analysis: For any good reader of the Mahabharata it should be common knowledge (by now) that it is a habit of Sanjaya to compare the clatter of wheels and speed of movements to wind and other things. Over here it still says just ape not Hanuman. Nothing special about the ape.
- Karna can see the ape [Krishna to Arjuna]
Quote:
There, the son of Radha turneth towards this direction, beholding thy banner bearing the ape, and desiring, O Partha, an encounter with thee, O scorcher of foes. Indeed, he cometh for his own destruction, even like an insect into the mouth of a lamp.
Analysis: It seems like people used to identify Arjuna in the battlefield due to the special design of his banner (as he is the only one with an ape on his flagstaff), so karna could see the flag of Arjuna despite being miles away. Interesting. And perhaps the ape did not frighten people as Karna still choose to advance towards Arjuna.
- Yudhishthira shames Arjuna's equipment's (including the ape that people in the present day believe to be Hanuman)
Quote:
"Thou ridest upon an excellent car constructed by the celestial artificer himself, with axles that do not creak, and with standard that bears the ape. Thou bearest a sword attached to thy belt of gold and silk. This thy bow Gandiva is full six cubits long. Thou hast Keshava for thy driver. Why, then, through fear of Karna hast thou come away from battle, O Partha? If, O thou of wicked soul, thou hadst given this bow to Keshava and become his driver, then Keshava could have (by this time) slain the fierce Karna like the lord of the Maruts (Sakra) slaying with his thunder the Asura Vritra. If thou art unable to resist the fierce son of Radha today, as he is careering in battle, give this thy Gandiva today to some other king, that may be thy superior in (the use and knowledge of) weapons. If that be done, the world will not then behold us bereft of sons and wives, deprived of happiness in consequence of the loss of kingdom, and sunk, O son of Pandu, in an unfathomable hell of great misery. It would have been better for thee if thou hadst never been born in the womb of Kunti, or having taken thy birth there, if thou hadst come out on the fifth month an abortion, than to have, O prince, thus come away from battle, O thou of wicked soul! Fie on thy Gandiva, fie on the might of thy arms, fie on thy inexhaustible arrows! Fie on thy banner with the gigantic ape on it, and fie on thy car given thee by the god of fire!"
Analysis: First he hyped up the object known as the "ape" and then at the end of his paragraph he decided to insult the ape. I don't think our dharmic king Yudhishthira would insult the ape if he believed it was Hanuman who is the ape.
- Bhima's charioteer talks about the ape (Visoka to bhima)
Quote:
"Behold, the string of Gandiva is flashing repeatedly like lightning amid blue clouds. Yonder the Ape on Dhananjaya's standard-top is everywhere seen to terrify hostile divisions in this dreadful battle. Even I, looking at it, am struck with fear. There the beautiful diadem of Arjuna is shining brilliantly. There, the precious jewel on the diadem, endued with the splendour of the sun, looketh exceedingly resplendent."
Analysis: It seems weird to me that bhima's charioteer would be able to see the flag of Arjuna's chariot while being so far away.
- Aswathama's encounter with the ape
Quote:
Then Drona's son pierced Dhananjaya with ten foremost of shafts, and Keshava with three, and the four steeds of Dhananjaya with four, and showered many shafts on the Ape on Arjuna's banner. For all that, Dhananjaya cut off the full drawn bow in his adversary's hand with three shafts, the head of his driver with a razor-faced arrow, and his four steeds with his four other shafts and his standard with three other arrows and felled him from his car.
Analysis:
I don't think Aswathama could defeat Hanumanji, it is not shown in several TV serials that Aswathaman (and many other warriors) attacked the ape on Arjuna's flag.... the ape never defended itself. Was Hanuman a coward to not fight back? Now Krishna has an excuse as he's just a charioteer and won't fight but the ape does not have any excuse/boundaries.
- Arjuna's ape magically jumps on and attacks karna's elephant rope
Quote:
The standards of the two heroes, perfectly bright, looked exceedingly beautiful on their cars, like the planets Rahu and Ketu risen in the firmament at the time of the universal dissolution. The elephant's rope on Karna's banner, looking like a snake of virulent poison and made of jewels and gems and exceedingly strong and resembling the bow of Indra, looked resplendent (as it waved in the air). That foremost of apes, again, belonging to Partha, with jaws wide open and terrible, and difficult of being gazed at, like the sun himself, inspired fear by his formidable teeth. The impetuous Ape on the standard of the wielder of Gandiva, becoming desirous of battle, rushed from his station and fell upon Karna's standard. Endued with great impetuosity, the Ape, darting forward, struck the elephant's rope with his nails and teeth, like Garuda falling upon a snake. Decked with rows of little bells, hard as iron, and resembling the fatal noose (in the hands of Yama or Varuna), the elephant's rope, filled with wrath, closed with the Ape. Thus in that fierce single combat between those two heroes, which was the result of what had been settled at the time of the match at dice, their standards first battled with each other.
Analysis:
Logically it doesn't make any sense for a image/painting/drawing on a flag to jump out into thin air and attack a image on another flag. So was their an ape on top of Arjuna's chariot holding his flag for him? And Karna's elephant rope is linked to a snake, so how could a snake sit on top of a chariot right next to the flag? Perhaps it as an interpolation, or mistranslated, or just is symbolism (the truth is hidden by using different words to describe the incident, turning it into a riddle to solve).
18th day
- Ape's roar compared to Bhima's
Quote:
The vast (Kaurava) host, approaching his Ape-bearing standard that is lofty as an Indra's pole (set up in the season of spring) and that is effulgent as Indra's bow, hath always trembled in fear. At the leonine roars of Bhimasena and the blare of Panchajanya and the twang of Gandiva, our heart will die away within us.Analysis: Sanjaya claims that whenever the Kaurava army approached Arjuna's ape flag then they always trembled in fear. But an immediate question comes into mind if they all trembled in fear then how could they dare to approach the ape? It wasn't some caged animal at the zoo whom you could pet.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09004.htm
- The ape is mentioned but was inactive.
Quote:
Then the ape-bannered son of Pandu, O king, having slaughtered the Samsaptakas in battle, rushed against that portion of the Kaurava army.Analysis: The death of the Samsaptakas had nothing to do with the ape, it was all Arjuna's handiwork. The ape is just a spectator.
Source:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09010.htm
- The ape is called "celestial' during the interpolated chariot blasting.
Quote:
The intelligent Krishna, abandoning the reins of the steeds, then dismounted from the car of Dhananjaya. After the high-souled Lord of all creatures had dismounted from that car, the celestial Ape that topped the mantle of Arjuna's vehicle, disappeared there and then.Analysis: First the definition of "topped" needs to be understood. Also the lord of all creatures refers to Krishna (as it specifically stated "after") not the ape. It also states that the ape simply disappeared, no such incident of the ape talking to Arjuna and Krishna is mentioned (like shown in tv series) even in this above interpolated incident.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09062.htm
Overall most of the mentions seem to have occurred on the 14th and 17th days.
Nowhere was the ape ever mentioned to be Hanumana. I think that the ape was like an ornament to adorn the chariot and decorate it to scare people. Just an image that makes people scared/afflicted with fear.
This post can be called "Hanuman Parva" lol, or Mahabharata from Hanuman's perspective.
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