Wednesday, July 4, 2018

Was Karna really 107 years old?

In this post i will not be using screenshots from the Debroy translation of BORI Mahabharata, and narratives from Kmg's translation but instead rather i will be using mere quotes from Debroy's translation. I won't be using screenshots to prove that they are from Debroy's Bori ce text.
After all their are some people who love to copy and paste from the sacred-text.com's unauthentic article "the Mahabharata Chronology", some people have even tried to say that Karna's son Vrishasena was older than Yudhishthira.
Cause i myself do not believe that he was one hundred-seven years old when he died, i do not believe that Karna was sixteen years older than Yudhishthira either.
  • First we need to find out how old Kunti was when she gave birth to Karna.
    • Karna's birth, it has been narrated multiple times. No wonder we truly do not know who his father is.
      • By Vaisampayana
        • First incident
Quote:
‘“Karna, of great strength, was born from Surya when Kunti was still a virgin. He emerged from his mother’s womb with natural armour64 and a face adorned with earrings.65
Analysis:
Source: Adi-vamshavatarana Parva (section 57)
        • Second incident
Quote:
Know that the greatly famous maharatha Karna, who parted with his natural armour, was born from the celestial sun.
Analysis: Perhaps Karna only became famous after he parted ways with his kavach. But it is impossible for anyone to be born from the Sun. So it is a term to hide the true identity/name of Karna's father.

Source: Sambhava Parva (section 61)
        • Third incident
Quote:
‘Though still a virgin, the illustrious one summoned the god Arka.260 She immediately saw the sun, who makes the worlds come alive. On seeing that wonderful sight, the one with the unblemished form was astounded. Tapana,261 who spreads light, placed an embryo in her womb. Through him, she gave birth to a warrior who was supreme among those who knew the use of all weapons. He was born with natural armour, blessed with good fortune and handsome like a son of the gods. His natural armour and earrings lit up his face. This son was known in all the worlds as Karna. After giving her, the supremely radiant one and the best among those who give, Tapana, restored her virginity and returned to heaven. ‘So as to hide her misconduct and frightened of her relatives, Kunti262 hurled the son, who bore all the auspicious marks, into the water.
Analysis:
Source: Adi Parva section 104
        • Fourth incident
Quote:
That destroyer of enemy armies was great in fame and wide of eyes. Karna was born from Pritha when she was a virgin, from a portion of the sun whose rays are sharp. His strength, valour and prowess were like that of a lion, a bull, or a king of elephants. In radiance, beauty and splendour, he was like the sun, the moon and the fire. He was tall, like a golden palm tree. He was a youth who could slay lions. Born from the sun, he was handsome and possessed countless qualities.
Analysis: Karna still had his kavacha kundalas during the Tournament of Adi Parva. He was considered "a youth" over here. A woman also can not be a virgin when she gives birth to a kid, so the quote has some inaccuracies and illogical conclusions.
Source: Adi Parva Section 126
        • Fifth incident
Quote:
In due course of time, through the favours of the god, the maiden, who was excellent in her complexion, gave birth to a son. He was as radiant as the immortals. He was attired in armour and was adorned in golden and brilliant earrings. His eyes were tawny and he had the shoulders of a bull, like his father. As soon as the son was born, the beautiful one consulted the nurse. She placed the child in a basket that was prepared well on all sides.
Analysis: It's stated that Karna was in good shape, athletic build, bull like shoulders, had tawny eyes, and of course attired in armor and adorned in earrings. It is even stated that he completely resembled/resembles his father. This doesn't sound like the description of a baby though.
Source: Vana Parva Section 292
  • Other narratives of Karna's birth
    • (Raja dharma Parva)
Quote:
Therefore, listen to what happened in earlier times, about how the kshatriyas would be cleansed by weapons and would go to heaven. To engender that dissension, he was created in a virgin womb. He was energetic as a child and came to be known as the son of a suta.
Analysis: This quote is particularly interesting as it states that Karna's whole birth was a political plot to bring about an end to the Kshatriya race of the earth.

  • By all accounts it's stated that Kunti was a maiden when she gave birth to Karna. And another reason for her discardment of Karna was due to the fear she had of her relatives. A maiden's age is like a virgins, their is no limit to Kunti's age.

Some people (in the Mahabharata community) have tried to claim that Kunti was 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 years old when she gave birth to Karna. But that's not true as their is no evidence at all for kunti being a child/teen/adolescent when she gave birth to Karna.
Here is the description of Kunti's early life (whether it was childhood or not is unknown) from the bori ce text, in the kingdom of her foster father (real life uncle) Kuntibhoja:
To do a favour and an act of friendship to his friend, he gave her to the great-souled Kuntibhoja. In her father’s258 house, she was appointed to honour the gods and guests. One day, she happened to tend to the Brahmana who was rigid in his vows and who was known as Durvasa. He was fearsome and was learned in the secret mysteries of dharma. Attending to his needs in every way, she pleased the selfcontrolled one. Through his foresight, he knew that she would face the dharma that is indicated for times of distress259 and need magic. The sage gave her a mantra and said, “Whichever gods you summon through the use of this mantra, will grant you sons through their grace.” Having been told this by the Brahmana, she was curious.
Analysis: This is right before she became curious and had intercourse with the future father of Karna. Usually a woman that has feelings of curiousity would be labelled as naive, inexperienced and immature.

Source: Adi Parva section 104
So to find out the age of Kunti we might as well check what the age of Kunti was during her marriage to Pandu.
Quote:
Vaishampayana said, ‘Kuntibhoja’s daughter was beautiful and possessed all the qualities. She was always devoted to dharma and great vows. Her father arranged for a svayamvara. She found the handsome Pandu among thousands of powerful kings who had teeth like lions, shoulders like elephants and eyes like bulls. Blessed with unlimited good fortune, Kuru’s descendant and Kuntibhoja’s daughter were married, like Maghavan with Poulomi.268
Analysis:
Granted this swayamvara would have taken place after Karna's birth it makes sense for Kunti to choose a husband that is in her age range. It is even stated that she possessed all the great qualities required for a spouse/wife/queen/woman. And that her union with Pandu was compared to a divine couples. Some people claim that Kunti only choose Pandu because he lived at Hastinapore and could watch over Karna but their is clearly nothing in the above quote that indicated that theory. And Anga (where karna grew up) was miles away from Hastinapore and out of Pandu's reach. So Kunti's selection of Pandu at her Swayamvara had nothing to do with vimna partho karna. In my opinion she may have chosen Pandu only cause of his looks and lineage though.
Source: Adi Parva Section 105
  • How old was Kunti when she gave birth to Yudhishthira (who was 2 and a half years older than Arjuna)?
Quote of the birth:
‘O Janamejaya! Kunti summoned the undecaying Dharma for conception, after Gandhari had been with child for a year. The queen swiftly made offerings to Dharma and followed the rites that had earlier been given to her by Durvasa. Through his powers of yoga, Dharma assumed form and she united with him. Consequently, the one with the beautiful hips obtained a son who was the best of all living beings. This was a sacred tithi,297 widely worshipped. It was the eighth hour of the day and the sun was in the middle of the sky. It was the auspicious moment known as aindra, when the moon was in conjunction with Abhijit.298 When it was time, Kunti gave birth to a famous son. As soon as he was born, an invisible voice was heard. “There is no doubt that he will be supreme among those who uphold dharma. Pandu’s first-born son will be famous by the name of Yudhishthira.
Analysis: This is a year after Gandhari's pregnancy. Gandhari had to have been at least sixteen when she got pregnant. Kunti is the younger wife. So perhaps Kunti was fifteen before and is now sixteen since Gandhari is seventeen (as she was pregnant for a year). Then it took 9 months for Kunti's pregnancy to be complete so she is either really close to seventeen or exactly seventeen when Yudhishthir was born. So this birth would take place three to four years after the birth of Karna. So Kunti was indeed a teenage girl when she was pregnant with karna.
Source: Adi parva section 114
  • Karna's childhood.
Quote:
There, he went to Drona to learn about weapons. The brave one became Duryodhana’s friend. Having obtained the four kinds of weapons from Drona, Kripa and Rama, he became famous in the world as a great archer.34 Having allied himself with Dhritarashtra’s son, he was engaged in enmity towards the Parthas. He always desired to fight with the great-souled Phalguna.35 O lord of the earth! Ever since they first saw each other, he competed with Arjuna and Arjuna competed with Karna. On seeing that he possessed earrings and was clad in armour, Yudhishthira thought that he was invincible in battle and was miserable.
Analysis:
Since not much is stated. Even the age gap between Karna and the Kauravas/Pandavas is not brought up. It is not stated who won competitions or not, we are free to interpretate this quote however we please, but only based on this information provided in the quote. It's said that Yudhishthira was always miserable because he saw Karna's skills and his armor/earrings. It is stated that Karna was invincible. But in other spots it is often claimed that Arjuna never lost a single fight/encounter. So we can say that Karna and Arjuna were equal warriors at this point in their life but due to this equality the Kauravas would often defeat the Pandavas because Arjuna could not help them since he was competing with Karna all the time. Either the Pandavas lost or the Pandavas could not defeat the Kauravas, the latter makes more sense to me because Bhisma states that they used to beat the Kauravas at everything.
Source: Vana Parva section 293
Quote:
O Indra among kings! He thought of Bhima’s strength, Phalguna’s dexterity, your intelligence, the humility of the twins, the friendship that the wielder of Gandiva has had with Vasudeva since childhood and the devotion of the subjects and was tormented. From childhood, he formed a friendship with King Duryodhana. This is because of the enmity he always bore towards you and natural destiny. He saw that Dhananjaya was superior to everyone in learning about dhanurveda. Karna secretly went to Drona and spoke these words. ‘I wish to know about brahmastra and the secrets of releasing and withdrawing it. It is my view that I should become Arjuna’s equal in battle. It is certain that the affection you bear towards your disciples is equal to what you bear towards your son. Because of your favours, make me accomplished and skilled in the use of weapons.’
Analysis: Over here it is all different. It is stated that instead of Yudhishthira being jealous it was Karna that was jealous of Arjuna's skills, Bhima's strength etc. He approached Drona for higher training as he believed Drona could have made him a superior warrior. But one key factor over here is that the text claims that Karna was still in his childhood at the time. So him being just four years older than Yudhisthira (who was also in his childhood at the time makes sense.)
Source: Rajadharma Parva section 2
  • Description of karna's body after his death (in BORI Mahabharata), this will help us get a proper idea of his age when he was killed.
Quote:
Without the armour, the body was mangled by arrows and lost its life. Karna’s body was severed and fell down. Blood oozed from the wounds, like red chalk flowing from the slopes of a mountain, when the summit has been struck by thunder. When Karna’s body fell down, a flaming mass of energy arose and rose up into the sky. O king! When Karna was slain, all the men and warriors witnessed this great wonder. ‘ “On seeing that he had been slain and was lying down, with their soldiers, the Somakas roared in delight. They joyfully blew on their trumpets and waved their garments and hands around. Other troops danced around. They embraced each other, roaring in delight. They saw that Karna had been destroyed and was lying down on the ground. The ratha had been slain and mangled by the arrows. It was as if the untainted and extinguished fire was lying down in the expansive sky, after the end of a sacrifice. All his limbs were mangled by arrows and torrents of blood flowed from them. Karna’s body was beautiful, like the rays of the sun in the firmament. He had tormented the soldiers of the enemy with flaming arrows that were like the sun’s rays. The powerful Karna was like the setting sun, conveyed to death by Arjuna. When the sun sets, all its radiance also departs. Like that, the arrow took away Karna’s life. O venerable one! It was the late part of the afternoon then. Severed by the anjalika in the battle, the head and the body of the son of a suta fell down. While the soldiers of the enemy looked on, it swiftly severed Karna’s head and body. ‘ “The brave Karna fell down on the ground. Mangled by arrows, blood flowed out from his body. On seeing that he was lying down on the ground and seeing that the standard had been severed, the king of Madra withdrew on the chariot. When Karna was slain, the Kurus fled. They were severely struck in the battle and were afflicted with fear. They repeatedly glanced at Arjuna’s great standard, blazing in form. He802 had performed deeds like those of the one with one thousand eyes. His face was as beautiful as one with one thousand petals.803 He was like the one with one thousand rays, at the end of the day. Thus did his head fall down on the ground.”
Analysis: This can hardly be the description of a 107 year old man..... his body was still called very beautiful and compared to the Sun. Repeatedly it has been stated that his body has been mangled and wounded by arrows.... yet a wounded body is still called beautiful despite being dyed red with blood.

Source: Chapter 1217(67)

Quote:
The brave Karna had fallen down on the ground. His body had been mangled by arrows and blood flowed from it. It was as if the sun had fallen down from the sky. To see this, everyone came there and surrounded the body. There were those who belonged to your side and others who belonged to the enemy. Some were cheerful. Others were frightened. Some were distressed. Others were amazed. There were others who were completely overcome by grief. According to their natural traits, they looked towards each other. Karna had possessed armour, ornaments, garments and weapons.
Analysis:
If Karna possessed armor, ornaments, garments and weapons then why is his body mangled despite the armor?
Source: Chapter 1218(68)
Quote:
With those arrows on his limbs, Karna looked beautiful on the ground. Though slain, he looked like the sun, with its rays. Karna’s body was covered with blood. It was as if the illustrious sun was showing compassion towards its devotee809 and having touched the crimson form with its red hand, was proceeding beyond the ocean to have a bath. That is what the large numbers of gods and rishis thought.
Analysis: He looks beautiful even though he's older than most grandfathers.
Source: Chapter 1218(68)
Quote:
The brave one’s armour had been shattered by arrows. He had been slain in the battle. Radheya had lost his life. But his beauty810 did not desert him. O king! He was adorned in many ornaments and his armlets were made out of gold. Vaikartana had been slain and was lying down, like a tree with branches and sprouts. He had the complexion of pure gold and blazed like a fire. With his son, the tiger among men was pacified by Partha’s energy. O king!
Analysis: I can consider this a description of a fit man killed on the battlefield not some 107 year old that does not belong over their.
Source: Chapter 1218(68)
Quote:
Karna’s head was as beautiful as the full moon and Arjuna brought it down with a razor-sharp arrow.
Analysis:
Over here Karna is compared to the moon instead of the sun.
Source: Chapter 1218(68)
Quote:
The worst among men laughed at Krishna819 when she had been won in the gambling match. The earth is now drinking the blood of that son of a suta. O bull among the Kuru lineage! With arrows mangling his limbs, that enemy of yours is now lying down. O tiger among men! Look at him. He has been shattered by many arrows.’
Source: Chapter 1219(69)
Quote:
‘Gandhari said, “This Vaikartana was a maharatha and great archer. He is lying down in the battle, as if a blazing fire has been pacified through Partha’s energy. Behold Vaikartana Karna. He was one who slew many atirathas. However, he has been brought down and is lying down on the ground, his limbs covered with blood. The great archer and maharatha harboured an enmity for a long time and was intolerant. The brave one has been slain in the battle by the wielder of Gandiva and is lying down. When my maharatha sons fought with the Pandavas and terrified them, they placed him at their head, like elephants with a leader of the herd. He was like a tiger in the battle, against the lion Savyasachi. He has been brought down, like an elephant by a crazy elephant. O tiger among men! When that brave one has been killed in the battle, his wives have assembled and have surrounded him, with their hair dishevelled. They are weeping.
Analysis: Since his bones (limbs) were covered by blood it's hard to deduce his age.
Source: Chapter 1322(21)
Quote:
He has been slain and is lying down on the ground, like a tree shattered by a storm. Behold Karna’s wife, Vrishasena’s mother. She has fallen down on the ground and is lamenting and weeping in piteous tones. ‘It is certain that the preceptor’s curse followed you.77 That is the reason the earth swallowed up the wheel of your chariot. Then, in the midst of the enemy in the battle, Dhananjaya’s arrow severed your head.’ Alas! Shame! When Sushena’s mother78 has seen the mighty-armed Karna, with gold-decorated armour plates and who was never dispirited, she has fallen down, senseless. She is extremely miserable and is weeping. There is little left of the great-souled one. The predatory beasts have devoured his body. It is not a pleasant sight and is inauspicious, like the moon on the fourteenth day of krishnapaksha. She is writhing on the ground, where she has fallen. She is distressed and has arisen again. She is inhaling the fragrance of Karna’s face. Tormented because her sons have been killed, she is weeping.”’
Analysis: Karna's corpse was defiled and eaten up by vultures and beasts so i can't figure out how old he is from this. Also this is coming from a second person perspective as Gandhari is the one who is speaking about what Karna's wives said at the sight of his corpse. And if Karna's body is covered with blood then how can he have golden armor on it?
Source: Chapter 1322(21)

  • Karna was younger than Krishna
    • Proof that Krishna was already over 100 years old during Sabha Parva (this is from KMG).
Quote:
And afterwards, when at the p. 119 command of the whole tribe, the same Kansa had been slain by Krishna that slayer of foes, all the men of the tribe became exceedingly happy for a hundred years.
Analysis:
Krishna would have to be older than a new born baby to have killed Kansa right? Also the text clearly states one hundred years, so Krishna had already passed the age of 100.
And since Yudhishthira was younger than Karna, well Yudhishthira would have also had to be younger than Krishna.
And Karna worshiped Krishna too.
Quote:
'Hearing these beneficial and auspicious words of Kesava, Karna worshipped Krishna, the slayer of Madhu, and said these words, p. 276 [paragraph continues] 'Knowing (everything), why dost thou yet, O thou of mighty arms, seek to beguile me?
Analysis: If worship indicates an age gap then that proves Karna was younger than Krishna.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05143.htm PS: i don't believe worship equals that the devotee is younger, because even krishna worshiped yudhishthira and we all know that yudhishthira is not older than Krishna and karna.......
I think every Mahabharata fan, every Arjuna fan, every karna fan, every vaishnavite, every shaivite can agree with the fact that Yudhishthira is younger than Karna (if not Krishna) right?
  • When did Karna truly lose his kavacha kundala?
    • Before the birth of Ghatotkaca, death of Hidimva, and burning of the lac palace in Varanavata.
      • This would make sense for the following incidents to happen.
        • Karna's swoon/faint in the Swayamvara Parva during his encounter with Brahmin Arjuna.
        • Karna's mangled body during his defeat/retreat in Ghosha-Yatra of Vana Parva at the Dwaitavana woods due to the weapons & tools of Gandharvas.
      • This is an authentic time period for him to lose it (as per Indonesian Mahabharata). And it is also a logical period in time (due to the incidents where he gets wounded).
        • Krishna, Surya, Kunti, Yudhishthira & Vaisampayana had all described the Kavacha Kundalas to be impenetrable and immune to the weapons of both Arjuna and Krishna, so they could not have been with karna during the above two incidents.
        • After all their is also a theory that Karna was never called "Karna" before the loss of his Kavacha Kundala, although their is only one reference in the Mahabharata (for this claim) and no cross reference it is still a believable claim if we consider the possibility of Karna losing the Kavacha Kundalas prior to the Vana Parva.
        • My claim is also supported by a Karna fan known as "Niraj Sharma".
          • Screenshot 1
          • Screenshot 2
    • Mahabharata is a story that is not described chronologically up to date with time, lie for example they did not narrate the marriage of Duryodhana until after Duryodhana's death.
      • Vaisampayana did not narrate Arjuna's encounter with the Nivatakavacas until Arjuna arrived to reunite with the Pandavas. If he described it chronologically then the encounter would have been narrated and recited when Arjuna had not completed his training and when Arjuna had not returned to the Pandavas & Draupadi.
      • Iravat's (first son of Arjuna) childhood was not narrated until Bhishma Parva despite the fact that he was born in Adi Parva. So chronologically his childhood should have been described in Adi Parva and Sabha Parva.
      • The five days of war in Drona Parva are not narrated while they are happening they are instead narrated (by Sanjaya) to Dhritarashtra after they have already occurred.
      • So all these incidents are mixed up and not put together properly, thus the Mahabharata leaves it to the readers to find out how to interpret this, and what timeline is correct.
        • It does not tell the earliest events and then follow a particular order.
Even though people these days believe Karna to be older than Krishna the reality is different, he was in fact younger than Krishna. But still older than Arjuna, bhima, Yudhishthira, nakula, Sahadeva etc.

  • Timeline of Karna's life.

- Year 0 he was put in a basket and thrown into the river
- Year 1 Kunti's Swayamvara, marriage to Pandu, Adhiratha/Radha have more offspring/sons
- Year 2 Pandu's second marriage to Madri and his digvijay campaign
- Year 3 Pandu retires to the forest and murders Kindama, Kunti has intercourse
- Year 4 Kunti gives birth to Yudhishthir, brahmins give Karna the name of Vasusena due to his armor/earrings
- Year 5 Bhima and the one hundred kauravas with yuyutsu/dushala are born
- Year 6 Arjuna is born, karna must be quaking in fear by now, as he was tormented by the Pandavas later on
- Year 7 Nakula and Sahadeva are born, Karna becomes a acquaintance of the Kuru family (since his father Adhirath was a friend of the kuru king "Dhritarashtra")
- Year 11 Pandu and Madri die, Kunti and the Pandavas arrive at Hastinapore
- Year 12 Bhima bullies the Kauravas, Karna advises them to poison Bhima
- Year 13 Karna is sent to Hastinapore again (this is not the first time), this time he goes to be taught by Drona, rivalry with Arjuna starts over here, enmity with Pandavas continues (before he didnt see Arjuna, but this time he did finally see him) his friendship with Duryodhana increases (this is not the first time they became friends)
- Year 14 Karna donates his armor and gains the names "Vaikartana" and "Karna"
- Year 17 Karna is trained by Parasurama and gains the Brahmastra/Bhargava wepaons
- Year 18 Karna mingles with Rakshasas, Yakshas, Gandharvas, Devas etc
- Year 19 Karna kills a calf of a Brahmana's homa cow in the jungle, then the brahmana curses him
- Year 20 Karna gets cursed by Parasurama & leaves the mahendra mountain in shame
- Year 21 Karna marries two wives according to the selection of his foster father Adhiratha
- Year 22 Karna begets a son (probably Vrishasena as he was the oldest)
- Year 23 Karna enters the Tournament (as even Arjuna was called a youth and he was one year older than Nakula/Sahadeva, arjuna is seventeen, bhima is eighteen, yudhishthir is nineteen), equals Arjuna's performance, runs away from Drupada
- Year 24 Arjuna, Nakula and Bhima get more training from Drona and Balarama (according to KMG), and Yudhishthira becomes heir apparent, Karna abducts a kalinga princess for Duryodhana
- Year 25 Arjuna and Bhima conquer kingdoms for Hastinapore, karn plans to burn Pandavas in Varanavata
- Year 26 after a year of living in the house of lac it is burnt down, karna celebrates the death of kunti
- Year 27 Ghatotkaca is born, Hidimva (male) dies, Hidimva (female) mated with Bhim, Indra transferred a portion of his energy for the birth of Ghatotkaca
- Year 32 Ghatotkaca becomes a master bowman/archer, a favorite of the Pandavas, he gains twice the affection that yudhishthir has for sahadev
- Year 33 Pandavas kill Baka, Arjuna defeats Angaraparna and wins a hundred horses, they travel across many places and their hair becomes matted, during this time Karna must have been wasting the time of his life
- Year 34 Draupadi's Swayamvara occurred, karna failed to string the bow, arjuna defeated karna in a fair fight despite being disguised as a Brahmin,
- Year 35 Pandavas build Indraprastha, karna out of frustration abducts another woman for Duryodhana, this time a princess of Kasi
- Year 36 Arjuna is exiled for twelve years, during this time we have no information of what Karna was doing, maybe his interpolated digvijay occurred during these 12 years instead of during the 1 year after Ghosha Yatra, it would make more sense to be honest
- Years during Arjuna's twelve year exile let's speculate and say that this is the time where Karna faced Jarasandha, defeated him in a wrestling encounter, and mangled him
- Year 48 Arjuna returns to Indraprastha, Pandavas have more sons from Draupadi, perhaps Karna's sons also got married at this era and fathered the grandsons of Karna
- Year 64 all of the Upapandavas have completed their military education/training under Arjuna
- Year 65 Khandava Daha occurs
- Year 82 Bhima conquers the Anga kingdom of Karna during his digvijay conquest
- Year 83 the Dyuta Parva begins and ends, the pandavas are exiled
- Year 95 Karna's fake interpolated digvijaya, where he defeats all kings of Aryavarta and makes Duryodhana an emperor of the earth, hard to believe karna was so active........
- Year 98 since Dhritarashtra claims thirty three years passed (since khandava) i will go with that as 33 makes more sense than 65 and nine plus eight equals 17 (death day of karna in the kurukshetra war).
I don't believe karna is 98 years old though.... So maybe khandava daha happened right after the return of Arjuna, this would make karna 81 instead of 98, but then how can he still look so young? I do nto know where the Mahabharata Chronology of sacred texts.com ever got the conclusion that he was 107 though.... Their is no proof for it.
Why I believe Karna was at most 5 years older than Yudhishthira, and at least 1 year older, in between that much (this screenshot is from Santi Parva Section 2):
The word “childhood” is written twice, the second time shows that Karna was friends with Duryodhan ever since his own childhood. It says from childhood not Duryodhan’s childhood.The only way for Duryodhana to have friendship with someone would be to make sure that Duryodhana is old enough to be friends with someone, a baby cannot play with or have friendship with another baby/person.
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This post may or may not have come to a conclusion... but it did make things a lot more clearer and now i hope the readers have come to a better understanding of the Mahabharata and Karna/his age.

10 comments:

  1. Some of Indra’s feats.

    Defeated 99 daityas
    With the thunderbolt born of brahma energy, and inspired with mantras, O Bharata, Indra made a loud noise when he hurled it, and slew nine and ninety heroes among the daityas.

    Shalya Parva: Section 51

    2. Defeated Hanuma:

    Indra is captivated by anger and by his effulgence he catapulted his Thunderbolt at you... [4-66-23] "Then, your left cheekbone, zygomatic arch, is broken when you fell down on a highest mountaintop, from thereupon your name-phrase is indeed averred as Hanumaan... [4-66-24] " "Then on observing that you are mutilated,

    Valmiki Ramayana - Kishkindha Kanda

    3. Swooned Arjuna

    Indra saw all this, and desiring to save his friend's son, the wielder of the thunderbolt, by raising a violent wind, deprived Arjuna of consciousness. During those few moments, Aswasena succeeded in effecting his escape.

    Adi Parva: Khandava-daha Parva: Section CCXXIX

    4. Defeated Agni

    This forest of Khandava is always protected by Indra. And as it is protected by the illustrious one, I always fail to consume it. In that forest dwelleth, with his followers and family, a Naga, called Takshaka, who is the friend of Indra. It is for him that the wielder of the thunderbolt protecteth this forest. Many other creatures also are thus protected here for the sake of Takshaka. Desiring to consume the forest I succeed not in my attempts in consequence of Indra's prowess.

    Adi Parva: Khandava-daha Parva: Section CCXXV

    5. Indra lifted a whole MOUNTAIN-PEAK with his hands

    “Then Sakra, desirous of smiting down the son of Pandu, tore up with his hands a large peak from Mandara, with tall trees on it, and hurled it against him. But Arjuna divided that mountain-peak into a thousand pieces by his swift-going and fire-mouthed arrows.“

    Adi Parva: Khandava-daha Parva: Section CCXXIX

    6. Indra INJURED SHIVA once:

    “In days of yore, Indra, desirous of acquiring my prosperity, had hurled his thunderbolt at me. With that weapon my throat was scorched. For this reason I have become blue-throated.”

    Anusasana Parva: Section CXLI

    7. Indra LIFTED ANOTHER MOUNTAIN again:

    “Beholding that feat commenced by Chyavana, Indra became incensed with wrath. Taking up a huge mountain he ran against that Rishi.”

    Anusasana Parva: Section CLVI

    8. Indra stupified the senses of king Bhangaswana

    “Saying unto himself--This, indeed, is an opportunity,--Indra stupefied the monarch. The king proceeded alone on his horse, confounded because of the chief of the celestials having stupefied his senses.”

    Anusasana Parva: Anusasanika Parva: Section XII

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  2. Abe napunsak atharva walia, kya hogaya he tereko. Also tell that Indra took away Karnaƛ kavacha kundala that made him immortal at birth, wentin disguise of gautama maharshi to be with ahalya, a married woman. Surya deva and his son never did that but you atharva walia do it i guess

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  3. What is wrong with your interpretation is that you are measuring a person's age about what his physical form is and how he is portrayed in the DwaparYug era...with the current reality where, humans today (KalYug) are believed to be humans who are different from previous times. we believe that Karna died at the age of 107 years....then we can't compare him to a 107 year old human being today.

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    1. the whole dwapar yug and kal yug shit is fake and a misunderstanding
      the yuga is always dependent on who the ruler is if the monarchs under whom you live in are corrupt or just or benefit you
      it has nothing to do with time

      and yes people of dwapar yug (mahabharat) era warriors are superior fighters when u compare them to warriors of ramayana (krita yug/treta yuga)

      now for Karna him being 107 yrs old is pure BS

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    2. Also Itachi Uchiha is a overrated chakka and a fudhu

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  4. The age gap between Karna and Yudishtira should be higher. Kunti must be 16 when she married pandu. Pandu then went on a Digvijaya campaign and conquered several kingdoms in eastern India including Magadha. This must have taken 1-2 years. After some time pandu and his wives went to forests in Himalayas and engaged in hunting. It was here that pandu was cursed. After being cursed Pandu left for Gandhamadana and spend some time there. He became a favourite of rishis there. It was only after this that Yudishtira was born. Kunti must have been 20-21 at this point. The age gap between Yudishtira and karna should be 8 years at the minimum.

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    1. parshuram, karna, hanuman are virginsWednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:01:00 PM PST

      And satyaki should be considered stronger than karna, yet arjuna fans and karna fans both degrade and downplay Satyaki as a warrior.

      Also hanuman should be considered inferior to nakul, bheem, sahadev and the upa pandavas (son's of droupadi).

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