Link to previous posT - ? https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-reasons-why-star-plus-mahabharat-is.html
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RWSPMIB (an easier way to term this post) "Reasons why star plus mahabharata is bad."
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Episode 13:
Problem's.
1 - Bhishma meeting Ganga and seeking her out for advice, this fake trope/trend was invented by B.R. Chopra's mahabharat tv serial, then followed-up by Sagar's "Shri Krishna" series after that it's being resumed by star bharat. But in the actual book of Mahabharat their isn't even one chapter or line of text mentioning a meeting between bhishma & ganga after she gave him away to king Shantanu.
2 - When prince Dhritrashtra is practicing or rehearsing for his speech (cause he believes he will be selected as the king/emperor) then he claims that he will ensure that Hastinapore's wealth (or treasury) will compete with the treasury of Kuber himself. But since it was already established in earlier episodes by Sakuni that Hastinapore's wealth is greater than or equal to whatever Kuber has owned this didn't make much logical sense for Dhritrashtra to mention this.
Episode 14:
1 - Contrary to popular belief/tv series Vidura's role in the incident where Dhritrashtra was denied a right to the throne/position of King is actually not present in the epic itself. It was a joint decision made by other people.
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"Pandu became king, for Dhritarashtra, owing to the blindness, and Vidura, for his birth by a Sudra woman, did not obtain the kingdom."
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Logical explanation - it's clear that Dhritrashtra getting denied the throne was not done by Vidur, it's just not mentioned who exactly prevented him from ascending to that throne. My opinion is that it was a decision made jointly by multiple influential people & family members.
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2 - Satyavati looks too young to be considered two generations older than the sons of Ved Vyas. She looks like she is the sister of Dhritrashtra, Pandu & Vidura not like a grandmother to them at all.
3 - Sakuni remaining in Hastinapore during the time where dhritrashtra is denied the crown is a problem, he was not supposed to be their as per the authentic versions of Mahabharat neither were the parents of "Gandhari" supposed to be their.
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Episode 15:
1 - in the five minute mark when Dhritrashtra said that the kuru dynasty would continue with pandu then he said his past is now bonded with darkness. The reason this line made no sense or the reason it's a problem is because Dhritrashtra's past can not possibly be affected now during the present time, the only things that could be affected in his life are the present or the future not the past as it has already been left behind.
2 - Their was no need to make Sakuni's character a limp/handicapped individual, especially when they show him fighting with a mace/club weapon against Yudhisthir during the Kurukshetra episodes. And as a born kshatriya he would never weaken his own body like this.
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Episode 16;
1 - They start to talk about Jarasandha before his time (the time where he should actually be important) arrives before he makes an appearance. And the ones who talk about him are Satyavati (a woman would never get such a influential position in the political monarchy during mahabharat) & Vidura.
2 - A claim is made that Jarasandh is surrounding Hastinapore that hastinapore has no friendly neighbor's (like ally nations) which made no sense. As hastinapore would still have the kashi kingdom & gandhar kingdom as two allies.
3 - If panchal is in the north, vidarbha is in the south, mathura is in the west and magadh is in the east then that should mean Hastinapore is practically surrounded, so their should at least be a line in this episode like "all trade routes leading to Hastinapore have been cut off by Jarasandha & his allies"
4 - This becomes a problem alot as the character's mention Jarasandha even more times (Arjun does during the Kalyavan/Subhadra track & Sakuni does in a episode after karna is given anga desh.) Yet they never show him or do anything much with the Jarasandha character. Despite having a thing called "creative liberty"
5 - During episode 16 their is a mistake because Satyavati claimed Kunti being the daughter of Shurasena {& not Kuntiboja} should never be considered a royal female.
Not only did Satyavati literally ignore her own position (being descended from fisher-people/nishadas basically not of royalty) she also ignored that Kunti was actually a princess, since Shurasena was a royal Kshatriya.
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Episode 17.
Not much to say besides the fact that when Kunti sung a lullaby or a song then it seemed like a bolly wood themed song, it shouldnt have been done.
Kunti having a servant who knew about her secret lost child is completely false and shouldn't be shown here at all, so it is a very bad mistake. Regardless the only servants of kunti that had anything to do with Karna are the ones who were spying on him informing Kunti of his location but none ever knew that he was related to her by blood or a son to her.
Also in this episode their was a mistake that Kunti's suitors needed to answer her question related to Ahalya and Gautama in the Swayamvar.
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EPISODE 18.
Here Pandu insulted Kunti's real father (Surashen) by saying he is unworthy of respect. Its not realistic for a king like pandu to say that.
Kunti admitted in-front of multiple servant girls that karna is her son.
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Episode 19:
Dhritrashtra's wife Gandhari chose to disobey him and greet/welcome Kunti/Pandu, so it is another reason why this tv serial is bad in my opinion.
Nobody ever listens to the wishes of dhritrashtra, he did not ask for anything big at all he just asked for his wife to not assist in the greeting of pandu and kunti, theirs nothing wrong with that.
But a typical indian soap opera/tv series always portrays a woman as being disobedient toward her husband, lying to him, plotting behind his back and gossiping about him.
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Episode 20:
Hastinapur sends its army to fight off a invasion on a friendly kingdom. Earlier this tv series talked of Jarasandh and claimed hastinapore needs ally kingdoms. But if it already had madra desh as a supporter why need the alliance with kuntibhoj & shura sen?
If it was because they doubted that the kingdom where Vasudeva's sister lived (hastinapore) will be invaded by Jarasandh/Kamsa then they should mention it as a reason. Also their has never been a recorded incident in mahabharat where the kingdom of madraka was defended by a king of hastinapur.
And in this tv series it was mentioned that the reason for this nameless person that invaded madra (their reason for attacking) was cause they thought Pandu wouldn't take any action cause he was recently married, but in this same tv serial they showed that the throne of hastinapur was empty for 25 YEAR'S!
So why care about a new kings marriage when the throne was in itself empty for more than 2 decade's? The invader had all the time in the world to harass friendly nations that were allied with hastinapore, why wait until it actually has a king on the throne?
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Episode 21:
Mistake A - Vidura wasted alot of time stalling before he mentioned that pandu got married.
Mistake B - the marriage between Madri/Pandu was arranged by Bhishma as per Mahabharat, but in this fake bharat (Star Bharat) serial it's mentioned that madraka's king requested that pandu marry madri his daughter.
Shouldnt elders have been invited in hastinapur to take part in the wedding? But no we do not even see the marriage, the character of Madri gets nerfed and put in the shadow's to highlight Kunti onscreen instead.
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In Episode 22 when Rishi Kindama is killed then pandu said his name ("Kindam") before he ever found out, how can he tell a brahmins name without meeting or asking him?
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In Episode 23 Sakuni still residing in Hastinapore, not even forming a conspiracy, just having conversations with Dhritrashtra.
I dont see how this helps his goal of revenge, particularly when Sakuni of Mahabharat already left hastinapore, was never their before the poisoning of bhima except for the incident where he gave Gandhari away to Dhritrashtra & met Bhishma.
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In episode 24 when Kunti told Pandu about her gift from the brahmin durvasa then the writer's made Pandu get over excited and thus basically tried to white wash Kunti (making it look like she wanted to inform pandu of karna's existence and demonize the father "Pandu").
Again a mistake is made when it comes to how old a particular character looks, though satyavati and Bhisma continue to have that problem, now another character, this time a brahmin named "Jaimini" has it too. Over here before Yudhisthir's birth jaimini gets introduced with pure white hair, but multiple decades later he looks younger than he did originally.
["Jaimini" in episode 24]
["Jaimini" in episode 178]
So: Not only did the actors face change (re-casting) but he also lost his white hair, it was replaced by gray hair...
And if we calculate the amount of years then 45 years passed (minimum) if we assume that Nakul/Sahadev were both 20 in the rangbhoomi and then 12 years went by for arjuna's exile and another 13 years for the dice game exile after that another year until the war happens.
Since Sahadev and Nakul are supposed to be younger than yudhisthir by at least 4 years. So jaimini cant look younger than he was nearly 50 years ago. Starplus's lame attempt to stay true to its original source failed, they tried introducing a lesser known character (Jaimini) but ended up embarassing themselves yet again.
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Episode 25;
Of course a obvious error is the presence of Sakuni, he should be in Gandhar at this moment, but instead the writer's made him remain in Hastinapore. On the 8 minute 50 second mark of the episode when Sakuni said "sau putra" it sounded too much like "soot putra" instead, so the actor basically made a dialogue delivery mistake.
One more mistake that ruined the series is that Yuyutsu's mother is a servant maiden of Gandhari and that's not what i heard in Mahabharat, whether that be Kmg, Sarala Dasa's tale or even in Bori CE. The only identity of Yuyutsu's mom is that she was from the vaisya caste and submissive to Dhritrashtra only, so starplus messed up yet again.
I also fail to see the point of her being in the series when Yuyutsu himself is never shown at all! Though.. i must say that the actress here looks much better than the overrated actresses who played Droupadi, Kunti & Rukmini in this tv serials.
I would take this woman over pooja sharma anyday.
Yet another mistake which makes the series a bad one is that in mahabharat Gandhari hit her stomach on the day Yudhisthira was born but in this TV series she did it on a different date instead, she did it a few minutes after Yuyutsu's mother had intercourse with Dhritrashtra, this would make Suyodhana younger than Yuyutsu, which's not correct at all as per Mahabharata (the book).
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I was done typing this post a month ago, except for the twenty fifth episode, i had severe difficulties trying to finish watching that episode and other goal's hence the delay. Next post will hopefully be up quicker.
"But since it was already established in earlier episodes by Sakuni that Hastinapore's wealth is greater than or equal to whatever Kuber has owned this didn't make much logical sense for Dhritrashtra to mention this"
ReplyDeleteWhere exactly was it established? Kubera was mentioned previously only one time and without connection to Hastinapur - in Episode 7 Subala said to the astrologer (before Bhishma's arrival to Gandhar) that Gandhari's future husband should be wealthier than Kubera.
Watch episodes 3 to 12, then u will find ur answer as to where Kubera is mentioned.
DeleteI dont get how u know of this mahabharat tv serial if u can not speak Hindi.
Everything in Hindi can be translated, can't it? ;) So I can write here quotes in English abour Kubera:
Delete1. Episode 7. Subala: "A huge army, great strength and a kindom which is wealthier than Lord Kuber is where my daughter will be married. And her husband will be so good looking that he will give tough competition to even gods. He will be stronger than the god of wind and will have more qualities than Lord Indra himself. Any disability or the slightest flaw then my Gandhari will not be married to such a man." - in my opinion all this speech is about how soon Subala's dreams of perfect husband for Gandhari will be destroyed by Bhishma.
2. Episode 13. Dhritarashtra: "Hastinapur will have more wealth than Lord Kuber himself."
Could you write more relevant quotes about Kubera to prove your words: "it was already established in earlier episodes by Sakuni that Hastinapore's wealth is greater than or equal to whatever Kuber has owned", please? You may write it in Hindi, no problem, just mark the number of the episode.
I don't claim that English translation is perfect. On the contrary, it would be very intersting to know where something in it is missing.
DeleteWell it is too difficult/strenuous of a task for me to do so no i will not bother rewatching past episodes when i have other priorities in reaLife and on the internet too.
Delete"in the five minute mark when Dhritrashtra said that the kuru dynasty would continue with pandu then he said his past is now bonded with darkness. The reason this line made no sense..."
ReplyDeleteIs it really so? Please, could you quote exact words said by Dhritarashtra. Because I don't understand Hindi and in English subtitles he said about the future: "Now the Kuru dynasty will be furthered by Pandu. Now the future of blind Dhritarashtra will be in darkness. In darkness. I have been tied to this darkness forever by that Pandu. That Pandu has tied me to it forever."
Of course it's possible that translator wasn't able to find any sense in lamentations about the past and translated it the way it made sense to them.
"Well it is too difficult/strenuous of a task for me to do..."
ReplyDeleteOk, as you wish, and I'm going on reading your post :)
"Kunti having a servant who knew about her secret lost child is completely false and shouldn't be shown here at all, so it is a very bad mistake. Regardless the only servants of kunti that had anything to do with Karna are the ones who were spying on him informing Kunti of his location..."
In K.M. Ganguli's Mahabharata there is Kunti's nurse who helped her to get rod of new-born Karna: "And the lotus-eyed damsel, afflicted with grief on account of her son and weeping bitterly, with her nurse cast the basket at dead of night..." (Book 3 Section 306)
That does not change the fact that according to adi parva their was no NURSE named "Priyamvada" who was their in the tournament, or living in hastinapura with Kunti.
DeleteLogically this nurse would live in the nation of king Kuntbhoja (kunti's foster-father) instead.
And if the writing team has time, the budget & resource's to show a fake character like Priyamvada THEN why cant they show the wife of Duryodhan? Or the wife of Duhsasana?
Why did they stop showing DUSHALA's character so soon/early? Starplus is bad either way.
Anyway, for K.M. Ganguli's Mahabharata your statement "Kunti having a servant who knew about her secret lost child is completely false and shouldn't be shown here at all, so it is a very bad mistake. Regardless the only servants of kunti that had anything to do with Karna are the ones who were spying on him informing Kunti of his location..." is not true because not only Kunti's spies had something to do with Karna - there was also the nurse who knew about Kunti's secret son.
Delete"Logically this nurse would live in the nation of king Kuntbhoja (kunti's foster-father) instead."
Logically it could be either way because it was not compulsory that the princess after marriage had to move to her new place completely alone without any servents from her own place. At least in SPMB it is so because Gandhari also took her servant from Gandhar.
It does not change the fact that according to kmg mahabharata their was never a servant of kunti (from the yadava nation) that travelled with her to hastinapura once she was married off to pandu.
Delete"Here Pandu insulted Kunti's real father (Surashen) by saying he is unworthy of respect. Its not realistic for a king like pandu to say that."
ReplyDeleteIt seems English subtitles have much more sense because there the conversation is:
Kuntibhoj: The first to be offered respect is the King of the Yadavas Shoorsen. He is the one who sired Kunti.
Shoorsen: No, Bhoj. Greater than the father is the one who brings up the child.
Pandu: You are so right, sire. The one who forsook one's child after its birth can never be the first to be offered respect. Your right will always come second.
Pandu said the downright truth which could not insult anyone - the-first-to-be-respected-father is the one who rears children and not the one who only conceives them. Actually Shoorsen said the same before Pandu so he could not be insulted.
In my opinion this conversation is something like a hint for Pandu's future - he also will be the-first-to-be-respected father for Pandavas. Also these words saddened Kunti because even if Karna survives she will never be his first-to-be-respected-mother.
But as per the tv show Pandu said that Surasena is not worthy of izzat/aadhar/respect.
DeleteYes the one who raised her (kuntibhoj) is more worthy of respect but that DOES NOT MEAN pandu has the right to say that Surashen should not be respected. U are RIGHT in the logic that its a hint for pandu's future (cause he raised pandavas though they werent his seed) but it also hinted to kunti's PAST.
Ok, I'm limited to English translation where Pandu didn't deny the respect for Shurasena completely, but said he is second-to-be-respected father.
Delete"Nobody ever listens to the wishes of dhritrashtra, he did not ask for anything big at all he just asked for his wife to not assist in the greeting of pandu and kunti, theirs nothing wrong with that."
ReplyDeleteAcording to SPMB it was wrong thing of Dhritarashtra to forbid Gandhari to greet and bless Pandu and Kunti.
The conversation from Episode 19
Ambalika: "The new bride must be welcome by Gandhari."
Satyavati: "Gandhari was welcome by Kripacharya's wife."
Ambalika: "It was so for there was no married woman in our family back then. But if there is a married woman in the family and yet we make someone else give the traditional welcome, wouldn't that be an ill omen?"
After these words everybody seemed to agree with Ambalika. So this greeting mattered to the whole family and was important from ritualistic point of view, and Dhritarashra did the bad thing demanding Gandhari not to perform her family duty. So it was nothing wrong of Gandhari to refuse doing the bad thing.
In my opinion in SPMB the filmmakers wanted to show Dhritarashtra as a bad-tempered egoistic character and this case when he forbade Gandhari to perform her family duty is just one example. Later they showed Duryodhana as the worse version of Dhritarashtra - the same bad-tempered and egoistic but also evil-intended.
i dont know if they gave kripacharya a WIFE in this tv serial (since hes under utilized) but the fact is as per the kmg mahabharat their was no mention of kripa (his real name) having a single wife
Deletehe was a celibate monk warrior and adviser
Regarding the welcoming of kunti it could have been done by satyavati or amvalika INSTEAD OF gandhari they dont need to spread fake rumors like gandhari/kunti being friends
In SPMB Satyavati or Ambalika could not welcome Kunti because they are widows, not presently married women which is important for the ritual. But I don't feel it is about future friendship between Kunti and Gandhari, but about to show Dhritarashtra's bad temper.
DeleteMy personal opinion is that the writers of SPMB (star plus mahabharat) did this cause they wanted to follow the TREND in indian daily soap's of a wife opposing her husband at every turn, they always show women disagreeing with their husbands.
DeleteSimilarly they choose to show Gandhari being DISOBEDIENT to her handicapped husband Dhritrashtra. So it is stupid.