Tuesday, May 24, 2022

Did king Sahastrarjun really beat king Ravan during a combat?

I've already made a seperate post on this blog about the age difference of these 2 men/warrior's;
Here the link has been posted above.
Now without further stalling i will begin Sahastrarjuna vs Ravan the truth.
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According to Brahmand Puran the character of Sahastrarjun was not killed by the axe of Parshurama but rather the Pasupat Astra (which is shot from a bow) yet another weapon that both Pandav Arjun & rakshasa king of lanka (Ravana) wield.

Proof that Ravan had it as a weapon;
[Quote]
"Ravana took up the Celestial and dreadful Pashupata weapon, the increaser of fear in the Three Worlds, obtained from Rudra, by virtue of his rigid penances. Beholding this, all moveable and immoveable beings were stricken with terror and the Three Worlds, including all that was animate and inanimate, Gods and Serpents, together took refuge in their abodes under the earth."
[End]
Proof that Sahastrarjun died due to this weapon.
[quote]
"After recollecting the Pāśupata missile granted by Śiva, Bhārgava immediately slew Kārttavīrya of great power. That king who was a devotee of Datta, entered Sudarśana, the discus of Viṣṇu. His body became reduced to ashes."
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Note: that as per Mahabharat the character of Sahastrarjun died either due to an axe or normal type arrow's no divine weapon was involved.
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In puranas a different side of Sahastrarjun is shown.
First of all he was a vassal monarch/ruler of Maheeshmati (the abode/realm had been conquered by Andhaka). If Sahastrarjun was not a vassal then why did he render assistance personally to Andhak in the invasion of Kailasa?
[Quote]
"Virocana, Bali, Bāṇa, Sahasrabāhu, Bhaji, Kujambha, Śambara, Vṛtra and others of great valour, fought there. These were defeated by the Gaṇa Vīraka in the course of the battle and split into two. At the end of the fight when many Dānavas were killed, the Gaṇas of Siddhas shouted Victory."
[End]
Logic - think about it, the man was their with 7 other's besides Emperor Andhak himself. One of these people (Sambara) was a guy that defeated Dashrath (king whose alive during Ravan's time). This implies the possibility of them (Ravan & Sahastrarjun) being contemporaries (alive during eachothers lifespan's).
Problem:
But logically it does not make sense because this quote said Banasur, Mahabali, Virochan these together fought to help Andhaka and were at his service. Andhak being the son of Hiranyaksha would be in the same generation as Prahlad, so how can 4 generation's of warriors fight together on one side and why would Andhak be the leader when his achievements are not as reputed as Mahabali's?

Virochan was supposed to already be dead, so even if age is not considered a problem here (as age never made sense in Mahabharat and Ramayana) then the problem of a dead guy being alive at a time where he logically could not be also exists as another problem.
But the major point is that Sahastrarjun lost to a Gana named Viraka (likely Nandi) & he was a vassal king dependent on Andhak.
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If we use Purans then this's the pecking order.
1st - Ravan
2nd - Nandin (whoever that Gana was)
3rd Andhaka
4th - Sahastrarjun
We never ever heard of Ravan losing to any Gana.
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Main point's on why Ravan fighting him (Sahastrarjun) made no sense.
The biggest problem with Ravan ever fighting Sahastrarjun is that their are many doubts and things that make almost no sense.

First why would Sahastrarjun (who was a anti brahmin/hater of brahmin's) listen to Pulastya's order of giving Ravan freedom? Mahabharat said that Sahastrarjun opressed brahmins (placing his foot on their heads).

Second in puranas the character of Sahastrarjun was killed by Pasupat Astra (parshurama in brahmanda pooran) but in Uttar Kand of Ramayana this weapon was also in Ravan's arsenal, why did he not use it then?

Third if Ravan was defeated by a human before he lost to Rama then why was he so confident of a win against Rama (son of Dashrath) and how come he never asked any boon (from any of his idols) that would give him protection against a human warrior?

Fourth when Parshurama (who killed Sahastrarjun) was defeated by a boy Ram (who was at most twelve years old) then why did an adult Ram get tormented by arrows of Ravan to the point where he could not defeat him in even seven days of combat? Parshuram was beaten in less than one hour.

Fifth - where was Pulastya (the guy who had Ravan released from danger) when Ram entered Ravans life as a new danger? Why didnt Pulastya ever ask Ram to spare Ravan? Why did he only interfere in the incident of Sahastrarjun?
Sixth Parshuram told Ram that he slew all Kshatriya's in his life using the Vijaya bow of Lord Indra. So why did the same Indra have fear for Ravan if he and Parshuram were better than a guy who defeated Ravan already (that guy in question is "Sahastrarjun")?

Indra owned the vijay bow and sammohan astra (weapon that knocks out parshurama) yet he never retaliated or even attacked Sahastrarjun? So why did Indra not react when Sahastrarjun insult's and taunts him infront of Devi Sachi?
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FINAL POINT
Who Sahastrarjun harassed.
[Quote]
"And grown resistless by the virtue of a granted boon, he ever mounted on that car, trampled upon gods and Yakshas and saints on all sides round."
[End]
Classifying his victim's - among saint's (brahmins) their were Durvasa, Angiras, Bharadwaj and Agastya.
For the yakshas either Kuber (ravan's elder brother and enemy) & Suketu (father of Tadka).
Now onto the devas ("god's") none of them could've been Indra as he was always mentioned seperately, so it has to be gandubaaz Soorya because he never had even a fraction of the relevance that Indra did.

Overall;
Him and Ravan basically harassed the same individual's they had the same enemies (Dev, Rishi, Yaksh) so the likelyhood of them ever fighting against eachother does not appear to be possible.
Now unless you believe that Ravan was also a rishi then Sahastrarjun could not have fought/met him. So Ravan was not harrased by Sahastrarjun and Ravan was definitely not a rishi/brahmin.
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Lastly
I am not a Ravan fan.
I believe that the people who say "ravan was never beaten by anyone before Ram" are actually hanuman bhakts that are mad that hanuman lost to Ravan.
So to make hanuman's defeat look less embarassing they hype up Ravan. My belief is that Ramayan's best warrior was Meghanad, after that it's Indra, then either Ram or Ravan.

I think maybe Indra might have defeated Ravan but i cannot say for sure or form a conclusion yet. I I'll be doing a post on that, to decide what happened.

5 comments:

  1. Shaswat Gupta (son of randi mata Janak Nandini)Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 5:43:00 PM PDT

    Sahastra Arjun's name should be SASTA ARJUN (cheap arjun)

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  2. Parashurama eliminated the Kshtriyas using Vishnu's bow, not Indra's. Mentioned by Parashurama himself to Sri Rama.

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    1. If u really wanna debate me then u should have the ball's to reveal ur actual name instead of using "anonymous".

      And Parshuram mentioneD THE BOW OF INDRA (in mahabharat) to shri ram (when the story was told to the pandavs in general in vana parva).

      Stop trying to discredit INDRA for a chutiya like vishnu, and if you dont want me to use gaalis then i can comply if u choose to debate, name your app.

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    2. जयदीप नारायण का नाम आदर से लिजिए. जो वादविवाद करणा है जितने जन्म मिलेंगे उत ने मै करते रहिये. जो आप जैसे तुच्छ प्राणी के जन्म मृत्यू से परे है उन साक्षात भगवान से आप माफी मांगीये....

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    3. To anony mous:
      The real god would most likely be Dattatreya since Dattatreya is a merged fusion being of the tridevas (brahma, vishnu, mahesh), i understand that if insulting vishnu is a very big sin then i have committed a sin, but i dont have the power to go back in the past and change that action. So all i can do is try not to make the mistake again or try to minimize my crimes by doing positive deeds instead of negative actions.

      I have translated your message as:
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      naaraayan ka naam aadar se lijie. jo vaadavivaad karana hai jitane janm milenge ut ne mai karate rahiye. jo aap jaise tuchchh praanee ke janm mrtyoo se pare hai un saakshaat bhagavaan se aap maaphee maangeeye
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      If this translation of your hindi is INCORRECT then allow me to fix it but i did remove the name "jaideep"

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